View Poll Results: Who is the Better Director?

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  • Michael Mann

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  • Oliver Stone

    3 21.43%
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    Default Director Showdown: Michael Mann Vs. Oliver Stone

    Both have a penchant for directing slick, cool thrillers

    Michael Mann Filmography
    The Jericho Mile
    Thief
    The Keep
    Manhunter
    L.A. Takedown
    The Last of the Mohicans
    Heat
    The Insider
    Ali
    Collateral
    Miami Vice
    Public Enemies
    Blackhat

    Oliver Stone Filmography
    Seizure
    The Hand
    Salvador
    Platoon
    Wall Street
    Talk Radio
    Born on the Fourth of July
    The Doors
    JFK
    Heaven & Earth
    Natural Born Killers
    Nixon
    U Turn
    Any Given Sunday
    Alexander
    World Trade Center
    W.
    Wall Street Money Never Sleeps
    Savages
    Snowden
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    Both have done movies I dislike but overall Mann has made more I enjoyed (Manhunter, Heat, The Last of the Mohicans) or ones I'd watch if I came across them. Stone is interesting but so far I only liked U Turn.

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    I think Stone's films are more iconic/recognizable to the public, but I voted Mann because Heat and Last of the Mohicans are two of my favorite movies.

    OP, you need to add like 4 or 5 more Alexanders under Stone's list.
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    I thought I was a Mann fan but I've never seen L.A. Takedown so off to YT I go.

    Surprisingly I've seen more Stone movies than I initially thought, still doesn't compare imo. Outside of Platoon, Born and JFK, which all hit heavy, the rest don't really keep up. Mann stays pretty high throughout and whatever dips there are, in as not quite as entertaining, aren't as low as Stone's on average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by batnbreakfast View Post
    Both have done movies I dislike but overall Mann has made more I enjoyed (Manhunter, Heat, The Last of the Mohicans) or ones I'd watch if I came across them. Stone is interesting but so far I only liked U Turn.
    Why do you like U Turn out of all his movies? I like it too (well except for the ending) but it's a very... uncomfortable movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    I thought I was a Mann fan but I've never seen L.A. Takedown so off to YT I go.

    Surprisingly I've seen more Stone movies than I initially thought, still doesn't compare imo. Outside of Platoon, Born and JFK, which all hit heavy, the rest don't really keep up. Mann stays pretty high throughout and whatever dips there are, in as not quite as entertaining, aren't as low as Stone's on average.
    LA Takedown is a made for TV version of Heat before he made the theatrical version of Heat. It's basically the same story.

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    Oliver Stone but only if he gets prep time.

    (jk, I voted for Mann. He filmed Public Enemies in my neighborhood so that's an automatic win right there.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    LA Takedown is a made for TV version of Heat before he made the theatrical version of Heat. It's basically the same story.
    Dawg, there ain't no 'basically' about it. I've gotten through most of it and It's the same movie with the same damn lines lol. There are some variations but I've never seen this done before. None of the actors are any good either, glad I was spoiled by the best I guess. You can tell it's still in Mann's style, kinda but I've seen plenty of Vice episodes- pick one, that look way better than this and this was post the run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    Dawg, there ain't no 'basically' about it. I've gotten through most of it and It's the same movie with the same damn lines lol. There are some variations but I've never seen this done before. None of the actors are any good either, glad I was spoiled by the best I guess. You can tell it's still in Mann's style, kinda but I've seen plenty of Vice episodes- pick one, that look way better than this and this was post the run.
    To be fair, he had the script laying around and someone asked him if he had an idea for another TV show. So, he chopped it down to something that could work as a TV pilot, but he only had like three weeks to shoot it. When he did HEAT Mann's talked about how he did way more planning and they took over four months to film.

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    I've definitely loved movies from both, so it wasn't an immediate decision, but I think Stone gets in his own way sometimes with trying too hard with film gimmickry to push his POV and it's not always coherent when he wants to make a point. (I'm fine with chaos or simply being evocative and letting the audience decide, but just going from the films it seems like he wants to sell me on a position but he doesn't achieve it convincingly enough times)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    So, he chopped it down to something that could work as a TV pilot, but he only had like three weeks to shoot it. When he did HEAT Mann's talked about how he did way more planning and they took over four months to film.
    Yea I been in a LA Takedown/HEAT wormhole for a week now. Sat though the theatrical for the umpteenth time but not in a long while, it's on HULU/Starz for right now. If LA Takedown was a fan film homage to HEAT I feel it would be pretty fantastic lol. I'm still impressed with how tight the thing is pacing wise. Sure it's scaled down, Wanegro is still a pos and the ending is different but he pulled it off and the upgrades shot this story the stratosphere. It is a little clearer how Wanegro got to the crew to snitch through Trejo. End of the day I'm just glad I got to see HEAT in the theater.

    I will say the bank robbery scene was a little more believable in LA Takedown, less cinnematic and we don't get Kilmer's smirk when he comes out of the bank and then shit goes down but it was the best part of TV-HEAT imo.


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