[Help] Donny Cates

[jb681131]

Hello,

I have heard lost of good stuff about Donny Cates. I plan on getting the few avalable omnibus of his works.
But I have questions:

VENOM:
vol.1: #1-12
vol.2: #13-25
vol.3: #26-34 + FCBD2020

=> Do I need to read "Absolute Carnage" before vol.2 ?


MARVEL COSMIC:
vol.1: Thanos #13-18 + Death of the Inhumans + Cosmic Ghost Rider + Silver Surfer: Black + material from Thanos Annual & Thanos: Legacy

=> What do you think could / will be in vol.2 ?
Do you think his venom run could show up in this collection ?

Thanks

[FFJamie94]

Absolute Carnage takes place concurrently with Vol 2, specifically, issues 17-20 are AC tie-ins.

I'll say read it in this order
AC #1
Venom #17
AC #2
Venom #18
AC #3
Venom #19
AC #4
AC #5
Venom #20

#20 is essentially an epilogue

[jb681131]

Absolute Carnage takes place concurrently with Vol 2, specifically, issues 17-20 are AC tie-ins.

I'll say read it in this order
AC #1
Venom #17
AC #2
Venom #18
AC #3
Venom #19
AC #4
AC #5
Venom #20

#20 is essentially an epilogue

Thanks. What did you think of the event ?

[FFJamie94]

Thanks. What did you think of the event ?

I enjoyed it, but the ending is a bit... Eh.
Personally, #20 serves as a better ending as it leads into in a future (and one of the best) arcs.

[jb681131]

I enjoyed it, but the ending is a bit... Eh.
Personally, #20 serves as a better ending as it leads into in a future (and one of the best) arcs.

No opinion on the Cosmic Omnibus ? and on the possible vol.2 content ?

[FFJamie94]

No opinion on the Cosmic Omnibus ? and on the possible vol.2 content ?

Volume 2 is made up of 3 arcs;
The first is a tie in to War of the Realms which wasn't written by Cates. Honestly, it's fine. It works well enough as a standalone book that you can read it independent of the main event.
The Absolute Carnage tie ins aren't really needed, but they do enough expand on some ideas. Originally, Absolute Carnage was going to be just the third act, not an event.
The third arc is Venom Island and it's actually kind of great. Bagley does art and it's effectively a follow-up to the era where Venom was stuck on the island during the 90's.

Honestly, overall it's a good run.
I'd recommend getting Silver Surfer Black too. It's not too important, but it does add to the Knull mythos

[jb681131]

Volume 2 is made up of 3 arcs;
The first is a tie in to War of the Realms which wasn't written by Cates. Honestly, it's fine. It works well enough as a standalone book that you can read it independent of the main event.
The Absolute Carnage tie ins aren't really needed, but they do enough expand on some ideas. Originally, Absolute Carnage was going to be just the third act, not an event.
The third arc is Venom Island and it's actually kind of great. Bagley does art and it's effectively a follow-up to the era where Venom was stuck on the island during the 90's.

Honestly, overall it's a good run.
I'd recommend getting Silver Surfer Black too. It's not too important, but it does add to the Knull mythos

You didn't understand my question.
In my first post, I asked about his Venom serie and about his Marvel Cosmic series.

In my previous post I asked about the Marvel Comics vol.2, which the content is not yet known, not the Venom, which the content is already well known.

For your information, the Silver Surfer Black, is in the Marvel Cosmic by Donny Cates vol.1.

[FFJamie94]

You didn't understand my question.
In my first post, I asked about his Venom serie and about his Marvel Cosmic series.

In my previous post I asked about the Marvel Comics vol.2, which the content is not yet known, not the Venom, which the content is already well known.

For your information, the Silver Surfer Black, is in the Marvel Cosmic by Donny Cates vol.1.

Ah sorry, my apologies.
Yeah, his Cosmic stuff is pretty great. Silver Surfer Black and Cosmic Ghost Rider are personal highlights.
Looking at the collection, there's not really a bad comic. Thanks Legacy serves as a kind of pilot to his Guardians run.
Volume 2 will include his guardians run (1-12 plus the annual), it's honestly okay. I enjoyed it, but it's not the best thing ever made.

I have no idea what else it will contain. Maybe some of his Thor stuff as the start of that took a cosmic turn, and it goes into Thanos a bit as well.

Honestly, I don't think we'll see Vol 2 for a while.

[ARkadelphia]

I’ve only read 2 series…

Death of The Inhumans = hideously bad
Silver Surfer Black = instant classic

[jb681131]

Hello again.

Anyone would have a complete reading order of Donny Cates' work ?
What should be read with what, after or before ?

[jb681131]

Anyone ?

I'll start, and you tell me if what I fond is correct (mix of omnibus and tpb):

1. Empyre event (not by Donny Cates)
2. Doctor Strange by Donny Cates Omnibus - Doctor Strange #381-390 + Doctor Strange: Damnation #1-4
3. Doctor Strange: Damnation - The Complete Collection - Doctor Strange: Damnation + Damnation: Johnny Blaze - Ghost Rider + Doctor Strange #386-389 + Iron Fist #78-80 + Ben Reilly: Scarlet Spider #15-17
4. Marvel Cosmic Universe by Donny Cates Omnibus vol.1
   
   1. Thanos Wins - Thanos #13-18 + Thanos Annual #1
   2. Cosmic Ghost Rider #1-5
   3. Infinity Wars Prime #1 (not in the omnibus) + Thanos Legacy #1
   4. Infinity Wars event (not in the omnibus)
   5. Death of the Inhumans #1-5
   6. Silver Surfer: Black #1-5 (to read along side Guardians of the Galaxy #1-6 + Annual #1)
5. Guardians of the Galaxy by Donny Cates Omnibus - Guardians of the Galaxy #1-12 + Annual #1
6. Venom by Donny Cates volumes 1 - Venom #1-12
7. Venom Unleashed Vol. 1 - Ve'Nam + Carnage Born + Venom Unleashed + Funeral Pyr (to read along issues Venom #6-8)
8. Marvel Knights 20th - Marvel Knights 20th #1-6
9. War of the Realms (not by Donny Cates)
10. Venom: War of the Realms (not by Donny Cates) - Venom #13-15
11. Abolsute Carnage - Absolute Carnage #1-5
12. Venom by Donny Cates volumes 2 - Venom #16-25
13. Absolute Carnage Omnibus
    
    • Absolute Carnage #1-5
    • Absolute Carnage vs. Deadpool #1-3
    • Absolute Carnage: Captain Marvel
    • Absolute Carnage: Immortal Hulk
    • Absolute Carnage: Symbiot Spider-Man
    • Absolute Carnage: Symbiot of Vengeance
    • Absolute Carnage: Lethal Protectors
    • Absolute Carnage: Avengers
    • Absolute Carnage: Miles Morales
    • Absolute Carnage: Weapon Plus
    • Absolute Carnage: Scream
    • Absolute Carnage: Seperation Anxiety
    • Amazing Spider-Man #29-31
    • Venom #16-20
    • Absolute Carnage stinger pages
14. Venom by Donny Cates volumes 3 - content unkown yet - probably Venom #26-34 + FCBD2020
15. Marvel Cosmic Universe by Donny Cates Omnibus vol.2 - content unknown yet
16. Thor by Donny Cates (no omnibus yet) - Thor #1-14
17. King in Black: prelude (no omnibus yet)
    
    1. Symbiote Spider-Man: King in Black #1-5
    2. King in Black: Namor #1-5
    3. Web of Venom: Empyre’s End
    4. Atlantis Attacks #1-5
18. King in Black: event (no omnibus yet) - King in Black #1-5 + lots of tie-ins

[FFJamie94]

I've not read Doctor Strange, but I'll go in this order;

Thanos 13-18 + Annual (This serves as a thesis to his run).
Cosmic Ghost Rider 1-5
Death of the Inhumans 1-5 (Not really vital, but it references Cosmic Ghost Rider at some point).
Thanos Legacy (Kind of a tie in to Infinity Wars, but it can be read independent, serves as a pilot to Guardians).
Guardians of the Galaxy 1-6
Silver Surfer Black 1-5
Guardians of the Galaxy Annual 1, 7-12
Thor 1- On-going

His Venom is largely independent, only really having ties with Silver Surfer Black.
Venom Order;
Venom 1-6, Annual 1
Web of Ven'am
Venom 7-12
(Venom 13-15 isn't be Cates and is a tie in to War of the Realms).
Web of Venom: Carnage Born, Cult of Venom
Venom 16
Absolute Carnage 1,2
Venom 17
AC 3
Venom 18
AC 4
Venom 19
AC 5
Venom 20-25
Web of Venom: Wraith
Venom 26-30
King in Black 1
Venom 31
KIB 2
Venom 32
KIB 3
Venom 33
KIB 4
Venom 34
KIB 5
Venom 35 (200)

There's a few more Web of Venom comics, but not all of them are important.
Hope this helps regardless.

[jb681131]

There's a few more Web of Venom comics, but not all of them are important.
Hope this helps regardless.

Thanks for the order.
What is your opinion on each title ?
I'd like to know if it's really must have material or only part of it is must I have.
I've read that only his Strange, his Thonos/Cosmic Ghost Rider, the start of Venom and his Thor are really good, what do you think ?

[FFJamie94]

Thanks for the order.
What is your opinion on each title ?
I'd like to know if it's really must have material or only part of it is must I have.
I've read that only his Strange, his Thonos/Cosmic Ghost Rider, the start of Venom and his Thor are really good, what do you think ?

Venom+Web of...+Absolute Carnage+ King in Black are all great, some of the best stuff I've read in a while.
Cosmic Ghost Rider is also great.
Silver Surfer Black is one of the best looking books I've read.
Thanos Wins was a lot of fun
Guardians of the Galaxy was okay, certainly the weakest of his work however.
Death of the Inhumans is the best Inhumans arc... make of that what you will.
And his Thor is great, but it doesn't hit me as hard as his other works.

Hopefully he gets Spider-Man at some point, but in the meantime, I look forward to his Hulk.

[jb681131]

Venom+Web of...+Absolute Carnage+ King in Black are all great, some of the best stuff I've read in a while.
Cosmic Ghost Rider is also great.
Silver Surfer Black is one of the best looking books I've read.
Thanos Wins was a lot of fun
Guardians of the Galaxy was okay, certainly the weakest of his work however.
Death of the Inhumans is the best Inhumans arc... make of that what you will.
And his Thor is great, but it doesn't hit me as hard as his other works.

Hopefully he gets Spider-Man at some point, but in the meantime, I look forward to his Hulk.

Thanks. I might fall for his Mavel Cosmic Omnibus and his 3 Venom HC.