Rumblers League Round 2: Darth Drizzle v Stigmazilla

[KJS]

Here we go!

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DARTH
Apocalypse (9) w/ Power Stone(9) & Mind Stone (8)
David Haller (10) w/ Space Stone (9), Mark of Cain and The First Blade (8)
Scarlet Witch (10) w/ The Source of all Evil (9)
Quicksilver (8) w/ Gamma Mutation: David Banner (7)
Sebastian Shaw (6) w/ Luthor's Suit (8) & Motherbox (8)
Mirage (8) w/ Absorption of Gravitonium (7), Invisible Suit (2)
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STIGMA
Jasmine (10) w/ Exposure to Radioactive Sand (5) w/ Gamma blood injection (7)
Puddle Jumper with ATA gene (5) w/ Vibranium Armour Plating (7)
Professor X (8)
Magneto (8)
Zoom (9) w/Saint of Killer's Guns (6), Muppet Lab's Copier ala Carte (9)
Lord Zedd (7) w/Barbara Minerva's First Wish (9)
Hiro Nakamura (7) w/ Silver Samurai (4)
Serpentera (10) w/All Spark, Converted (4), Cyborg Modification (7), Exposure to Comet (3)

[KJS]

The Mutants of Ragnarok vs Masters of Mayham

Match Start

Legion stops time as Apocalypse/Wanda throw up a double layered sheild of Power Stone and Hex energy. Then Apocalypse gives his Horsemen Upgrade to all of his team greatly increasing their powers and giving them full control over them. Legion then empowers Quicksilver with Space Stone energy and telepathically gives him knowledge on energy manipulation and everything he knows about the Stone so far.

Before dropping the time stop Apocalypse and Legion find Hiro who presumably is able to move this whole time and they play it safe by shutting down his mind and taking him out the fight. Then they find all the members of the Masters of Mayham and telepathically gives their positions to the team. Now Legion starts time and the Battle ensues.
Taken Out: Hiro

Fight' N Time!

Apocalypse
He Sheilds himself with Power Stone energy and with revenge on his mind he targets the duo in the Puddle Jumper. As he has twice beaten Xavier easily he does so again here but this time he is even more powerful and makes Xavier attack Magneto by suddenly grabbing his helmet and exposing Magneto to Apocalypse's power and he quickly takes advantage of it and shuts down Magneto's mind as well.

If Mags stops Xavier then Apocalypse knowing their location opens a portal and teleports the Puddle Jumper in front of him, grabs it with TK, then uses the Power Stone to vaporize it and the 2 inside completing his revenge. Next is Jasmine and he sends a powerful burst of energy through Legions portal straight into Jasmine vaporizing her and everything around her. Then he targets Serpentera and he teleports behind it at neck height and with his sheild blocking any outside energy effects he uses the Power Stone to destroy the Head and Neck of Serpentera, then targets whoever is left and tears them apart on a molecular level.
Taken Out: Xavier. Magneto, rest of team

Legion
With her location in mind he uses the Spatial Awareness of the Space Stone and opens a large portal behind Jasmine with the other end leading to Space and uses TK to throw her and everything around her withen 200 meters into it and hurtling them thru space away from the planet without ever having to look at her. If somehow that doesn't take he opens a portal for Apocalypse and he sends Power Stone energy through and decimates her. With that done he quickly targets Zoom and Zedd and takes them out Telepathically in a flash of light and pain. He then energy blasts and Atomizes anyone who is left.
Taken Out: Jasmine, Zoom, Zedd, rest if team

Scarlet Witch
She targets Serpentera and focuses all of her energy on him uses the Sources teleportation to move above him and turns the giant robot into a cheap flimsy tin foil action figure version of itself. Being a cheap toy it can't turn it's head, it's arms and legs only move up and down, and it's so weak/cheap that it breaks during slight movement. After it's transformation it would be much easier to take out and she crushed it with her TK then uses her Chaos/Source powered Pyrokinesis to vaporize the robot into nothingness. She then grabs/incinerates anybody left.
Taken Out: Serpentera, rest of team

Quicksilver
With Zooms location in his head he beams at his enemy and surveys his options. If Zoom uses the Copier Ala Carte then he is sucked away into space by Legion as he takes out Jasmine as it's a stationary item and takes between 10-30 seconds to use. If he doesn't use it then Quicksilver who is faster snd much stronger than Zoom without any upgrades takes the dark speedster to the woodshed.

Using intangibility/portals/speed he avoids the SoK guns and beats him silly with overwhelming punches and energy attacks until he is knocked out. Hell, if any clones do form he does the same to them with impunity.
Taken Out: Zoom

Sebastian Shaw/Mirage
He targets Zedd and boomtubes over to his location with Mirage and rushes at Zedd on sight with Superman leveling punches and Mbox enhanced energy attacks targeting his Staff first. Mirage up in the air unleashes the Fears of all her opponents on them which would mess up everyone here considerably as they have deep fears and uses her gravity powers and invisibility to grab and crush and throw around any opponents that aren't being attacked by her teammates and help the fears battle.
Taken Out: Zedd, rest of team

[KJS]

VS Darth Drizzle

Sound Track: Metalica – Four Horsemen

Zoom: will run himself through the copy machine, charging straight towards Quicksilver. Zoom's the faster speedster, and will put his hand through Quicksilver's heart killing him. If he has transformed into energy or another form, he can also use his guns, to shoot Quicksilver dead, super charging them to fire bullets faster. His clones, will immediately follow up, taking on the other members of the team, starting with Scarlet Witch. If Legion try's to resist Jasmine, Zoom will shoot him with his God killing guns, just like he will to Wanda. The Zooms will also be able to fight off any nightmare created monsters that Dani creates. The Copier should keep pumping out Zooms to aid my team.

Professor X: mind links immediately with Jasmine. This will aid him in engaging first Legion, allowing her magical mind control to work with his mutant abilities. Together they will mind control him, and the rest of the Mutants of Ragnarok. He can

Jasmine: absorbs sand, from the beach, turning giant and will cry out to the other team, for them to obey her, and fight any one who opposes her. She can also fly towards, if needed, and fight them with her very impressive strength.

Puddle Jumper: will turn invisible at the bell, and fly into sky evasively, to avoid anyone targeting it.

Magneto: plays defence, using the puddle jumper itself to ram enemies who get to close, and will tear the metal out of Apocalypse, and the other non transformer members of the enemy team.

Serpentera: sparks the puddle jumper,and the Copier right away, then flies towards the enemy team, sparking everything it can. That should transform, all their tech to my side, especially Lex's suit, which will fly immediately into deep space and dump out its occupant. It will also transform Dani's suit, which will when turned into a transformer, will transform into its robot form, with her inside, harming her at least, and then will attack her. Serpentera will blast its oppoents with its

Lord Zedd: will turn Jasmine giant and teleport behind the enemy team right away. He uses his wonderwoman like stats, personal power and magic to engage Dani, teleporting her to the moon. He will then continue to engage the other members of the Mutants of Ragnorok, moving directly on to Wanda

Hiro: stops time, and teleports behind Apocalypse and chops him into pieces. He will then move onto the other Mutants of Ragnarok, starting with Mirage.

The Amazons will all be mind controlled by my team, and used to fight the Mutants.



All members of my team will use their powers in the most effective ways possible, and will use their mobility powers as needed, (flying, teleporting, running at high speed). Once they eliminate their initial targets they will then move on the face the next opponent.

Winners: The Masters of Mayhem

[Darth Drizzle]

A good stratagy to try and take down the Mutants by the Masters of Mayham, but it falls short of achieveing that.

1. Zoom is by no means faster than base Quicksilver. I have watched every season of the Flash including this season and nothing puts Zoom at QS level of speed. By all means try and prove he can at least match the Magneto break out scene speed, cause I know he has nothing on the much more ludacris mansion explosion feat. And even worse here QS is upgraded by Apocalypse and has an energy form that moves at thought speed on top of that. Plus with QS being made of Space Stone energy Zoom will kill himself by putting his hand inside his chest.

Also since he uses the Copier Ala Carte he is taken out along with Jasmine as it he and the copier is tossed into Space. His whole body needs to enter it and it takes 10-30 seconds to start making clones. And running with copier slows him down considerably as it's big and he has no super strength, and it doesn't work unless he is inside so he is just wasting time trying to run around with it and is easy to beat.

So as per my stratagy Legion dumps him into space as he uses the machine, or QS takes him out as he tries to run around carrying the machine that doesn't work unless he enters it fully. So no more Zoom.

2. Professor X takes himself out trying a move that he can't even do and isn't expected by his own team. He isn't immune to Jasmine's power just like the rest of his team(looking at you Zedd) so if he linked he would become a useless pawn waiting for Jasmine's orders. And speaking about Jasmine nothing about her moves as written even acknowledges Xavier trying to link minds and attack my team mentally. She is by the strat spreading herself out and trying to grow big and yell at my team and is clueless about Xavier's plan.

Luckily for him Apocalypse invades his mind and turns him against Magneto with his Quicksilver catching mental speed and both are taken out before he can try his ill fated mind link with Jasmine. So both Xavier and Magneto are out the match.

3. Jasmine does exactly what Legion thought she would and tries to spread herself out, and she along with everything around her withen 200 meters is tossed into space at the thought speed of high end bullet timer Legion.

4. Serpentera who apparently just moves forward is easily caught and transformed by Scarlet Witch whose Source teleportation is quick and she isn't effected by Sparking. Speaking of sparking the 2 feats it has of turning machines alive instantly turned them into Berserkers who fought against everything that wasn't a machine. Even with Cyborgs mods Serpentera being a Destruction machine itself isn't equipped or capable of controlling the things it sparked as it took Cyborg fully concentrating and doing nothing else to control anything that wasn't a ATM machine or connected to the Internet. So Serpentera is taken out the fight.

5. Zedd gets spaced with Jasmine as he is near her and trying to make her big. Even his plan fails as he has to find my team with no line of sight and teleport behind "them" which is far to general and doomed to fail as everyone spreads out in the beginning, and try to find Dani who is completely invisible and in the air both things Zedd is not equipped to handle. So either by Legion or Shaw Zedd is taken out.

6. Hiro unfortunately gets disentigrated by the Power Stone/Hex sheild by Apocalypse/SW or he gets severly hurt by it, then Telepathically shut down by Apocalypse or Legion as they planned on him moving during the time stop and deal with him as planned. So Hiro is the first to be taken out the fight.

[Stigmazilla]

A good stratagy to try and take down the Mutants by the Masters of Mayham, but it falls short of achieveing that.

1. Zoom is by no means faster than base Quicksilver. I have watched every season of the Flash including this season and nothing puts Zoom at QS level of speed. By all means try and prove he can at least match the Magneto break out scene speed, cause I know he has nothing on the much more ludacris mansion explosion feat. And even worse here QS is upgraded by Apocalypse and has an energy form that moves at thought speed on top of that. Plus with QS being made of Space Stone energy Zoom will kill himself by putting his hand inside his chest..

I said if he is made of energy, then Zoom will use his gun and other abilities. The copier takes maybe 5 seconds to use. I'm also a bit unsure if Quicksilver could absorb energy from the Space Stone without overwhelming himself. Hulk's Dad overloaded when he tried to absorb the Hulk, and the Space Stone is way more powerful then him.

Also since he uses the Copier Ala Carte he is taken out along with Jasmine as it he and the copier is tossed into Space. His whole body needs to enter it and it takes 10-30 seconds to start making clones. And running with copier slows him down considerably as it's big and he has no super strength, and it doesn't work unless he is inside so he is just wasting time trying to run around with it and is easy to beat.

He has super strength of the Saint of Killers. The Saint is strong enough to lift a man one handed and toss him across a room. Considering a single muppet stage hand was able to casually push the copier around the stage, Zoom would no trouble if he wanted to move it.

So as per my stratagy Legion dumps him into space as he uses the machine, or QS takes him out as he tries to run around carrying the machine that doesn't work unless he enters it fully. So no more Zoom.

He can jump in the machine and out in seconds, considering Quicksilver is waiting for Legion to slow time before he acts, and has to cross the distance, Zoom has plenty of time.

2. Professor X takes himself out trying a move that he can't even do and isn't expected by his own team. He isn't immune to Jasmine's power just like the rest of his team(looking at you Zedd) so if he linked he would become a useless pawn waiting for Jasmine's orders. And speaking about Jasmine nothing about her moves as written even acknowledges Xavier trying to link minds and attack my team mentally. She is by the strat spreading herself out and trying to grow big and yell at my team and is clueless about Xavier's plan.

At most, you could argue Jasmine's power on Xavier is going to make him fight for her, (which he is already doing). All he is doing is mentally spreading her words of yelling at your team.

Luckily for him Apocalypse invades his mind and turns him against Magneto with his Quicksilver catching mental speed and both are taken out before he can try his ill fated mind link with Jasmine. So both Xavier and Magneto are out the match.

Even if we are saying with the mind Stone helps Apocalypse get offensive telepathy (which isn't an ability it ever shows by it self), Xavier already has Jasmine in his head, and is stronger then the Charles Apocalypse faced.

3. Jasmine does exactly what Legion thought she would and tries to spread herself out, and she along with everything around her withen 200 meters is tossed into space at the thought speed of high end bullet timer Legion.

She'll be all the sand on the Beach at that point. Legion is that good with just the space Stone he can open a portal that big, and that far away? That's more then any thing Loki was doing with it. Xavier is also going straight to his brain with Jasmine too.

4. Serpentera who apparently just moves forward is easily caught and transformed by Scarlet Witch whose Source teleportation is quick and she isn't effected by Sparking. Speaking of sparking the 2 feats it has of turning machines alive instantly turned them into Berserkers who fought against everything that wasn't a machine. Even with Cyborgs mods Serpentera being a Destruction machine itself isn't equipped or capable of controlling the things it sparked as it took Cyborg fully concentrating and doing nothing else to control anything that wasn't a ATM machine or connected to the Internet. So Serpentera is taken out the fight.

The allspark itself is sentient now though from the Maximum Overdrive comet, which means it is sentient by itself. Meaning it has the ability to turn the tech it turns sentient, as well. We've had the allspark turning tech into team loyal transformers for nearly a decade as well, and that's without the mods I have on it.

Even if we say they are just rabid machines (which wouldn't make sense), then it is still turning your teams tech into enemies, and can easily communicate with Luthor'a suit to tell it to fly away to space.

Lord Zedd, a fast bullet timer, is also teleporting Scarlet Witch to the moon, a second into the match as well.

5. Zedd gets spaced with Jasmine as he is near her and trying to make her big. Even his plan fails as he has to find my team with no line of sight and teleport behind "them" which is far to general and doomed to fail as everyone spreads out in the beginning, and try to find Dani who is completely invisible and in the air both things Zedd is not equipped to handle. So either by Legion or Shaw Zedd is taken out.

Zedd targets people and things far out of his sight all the time hitting things from the moon, teleporting behind your team is child's play. He even knows they are 5 kilometers away.

6. Hiro unfortunately gets disentigrated by the Power Stone/Hex sheild by Apocalypse/SW or he gets severly hurt by it, then Telepathically shut down by Apocalypse or Legion as they planned on him moving during the time stop and deal with him as planned. So Hiro is the first to be taken out the fight

Using the powerstone nearly burnt off Thanos's arm when he used it. The far weaker Apocalypse trying to use it in such a complex way would likely nuke his whole team. Also nothing about that shield would block a teleport.

By directly targeting Xavier with Apocalypse (in a way he can't do) you are mind linking your self with Jasmine. Jasimine is the entire beach, at this time can reform if needed, is also not getting casually tossed through a portal, (has Legoin ever moved a kaiju who can mind control him while operating an insanely powerful stone? How can Apocalypse teleport the Puddle Jumper, which is both invisible, and moving at high speeds?

[Darth Drizzle]

1. That video shows that Beaker was scanned then trapped in there for minutes, and only was able to leave after someone else pressed the button, and that 2 people are needed for the copier to work. Even if we take it as scan then button press it still takes seconds to work and Zoom and the copier are TK'd to space in that time.

Here is David Banner absorbing the Hulks energy which in this film and universe was stated to be limitless. As shown he was doing just fine and the Hulk is the one who is screaming the whole time not David, and the amount of energy Hulk is pumping out is massive. He would have killed the Hulk if he wasn't attacked by that specific payload bomb at his weakest time. And again Legion isn't pumping all his energy into him in a kamikaze style attack, he is controlling the energy and stops when Quicksilver changes forms, which as the video shows with his electricity absorbtion doesn't take Hulk suicide bombing levels to do.

2. Legion stops time and his and Apocalypse's moves are all done before Zoom exits the copier. When he stopped time he did it after a machine gun fired at him from 8ft away and the bullets were half way to him before he reacted. So Zoom has no time to do anything before Legion TKs him and the copier to space along with Jasmine.

3. Xavier would need Jasmine to Order him to do his moves after he is enthralled as he would just be a smiling mess fawning over her until she does. Also how does Xavier amplify physical words mentally? He cant take soundwaves and convert them into telepathic energy and he hasn't ever tried to do anything like that as he knows he can't do it.

Plus as I said before Jasmine has no idea what Xavier is doing as the only thing written for her is becoming bigger and yelling at my team. And as Apocalypse attacks and shuts him down long before he can make contact with Jasmine this is a moot point anyway.

4. The Mind Stone doesn't give Telepathy? So Loki instantly connecting across the Galaxy using high level Telepathy complete with a Astral Form body that can feel or cause pain is nothing eh? Xavier is instantly defeated by Apocalypse even without this massive upgrade as even his older self can't replicate the feats Apocalypse did in his movie.

5. Jasmine is much, much slower than Legion and she wouldn't even have begun to spread out more than 3ft before she is tossed into Space. And yes Legion can use the Stone very well as he already has Continental Teleportation powers that ports him to wherever he wants to go even if he has never been there before which he has done multiple times with multiple people and objects. Which is exactly what the Space Stone does, just on a much bigger scale. So as written Legion does what he has done already just on a slightly bigger scale and seeing as Jasmine is so much slower 200 meters won't even be necessary.

6. The Allspark when used by the user fought for it's team, but I can't recall it being used to specifically turn it's teammates good and it's enemies bad with the same wave of energy that by feats only turned things into Berserk machines that hated every non machine around it. Also it doesn't use radio waves or Technopathy, it literally has use it's own energy whether it's direct contact or a wave of energy to change it's target. It doesn't ride on Radio waves or shoot like a bullet, even if it's alive.

7. Zedd doesn't have X Ray vision or Pre Cog, or Cosmic Awareness to instantly know where a random person is, and most of the time his hitting Earth from space was where his minnions were. Him and Rita also had that huge Telescope to look at Earth all the time so most if his feats of targeting Earth was with Prep or was planned already.

Also this is moot as well because Zedd first tries to make Jasmine grow, which means he is looking at her and is enthralled on sight and becomes useless, and since he is close to Jasmine he gets TK'd to space as well. Or he misses out on the space toss and is immediately shut down mentally by Legion or attacked by Shaw who is much stronger/faster than Zedd as his first move is to teleport to Zedd and he actually has his location to instantly get to him. So in three ways Zedd is taken out.

8. Really? You think every time Thanos used the Power Stone his arm burnt off? I assume you think Ronan killed himself and Resurected each time he used the Stone as well? There are so many times where both Thanos and Ronan used the Stone without any negative effects that I'm not even going to list them, and just say that you must have not seen alot of the movies which is fine but your assumptions are way off or you are misremembering the Stones feats. Also Apocalypse was literally building Pyramids and in the movie dusted an entire city casually with his power but somehow he is less powerful or less capable of handling power than Thanos or Ronin who were simply bricks with no energy manipulation powers of their own? Your statement is wrong on so many levels unfortunately. And Apocalypse Sheilds blocked multiple forms of energy and Wanda's blocked out or changed energy as well, so Hiro isn't getting in.

And why you think the much faster and much more powerful Apocalypse can't beat Xavier when he has easily and casually beat and overpowered him even when he was using Cerebro at base before being massively upgraded is something I can't wrap my head around. As shown Apocalypse has Telepathy that can instantly reach Xaveir, he thinks much quicker than Xaveir, and is much more powerful. That ends any/all arguments about Xaveir doing anything but getting taken out along with Magneto.

And finally Apocalypse has the power of Knowledge Absorbtion(2min) which as my team profile states he uses for both the Mind and Power Stones so he knows everything about the Stones as soon as he gets them. So he is very much fine with using the Stones better than anyone ever has(probably even Thanos who never wielded the Stones just heard about them for most if his life).