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    Quote Originally Posted by Noek View Post
    It matters because the whole conflict is "Powers shouldn't be at the cost of lives". But in AvX this was the same conflict except Mutants were pro-powers.
    Ever hear of, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    Hey should Emma Frost be punished for the lives of the Ennilux Inhumans she took at the end of IvX?
    It wasnt the same thing for many of the reasons already mentioned. Also the mutants did not knowingly allow people to die for a year uneder their watch in support of themselves

    Yeah, Emma should have been punished. Death of Inhumans happened immediately after IVX though which is most likely why she wasnt on their radar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro View Post
    So I'm supposed to ignore the multiple inhabited planets the Phoenix destroyed on it's way to Earth?
    Ok then, apparently only mutant lives matter.


    No they weren't right, they wanted to sit on their hands, risk the lives of everyone on Earth and hope it turns out well.
    The only reason Hope was even able to use the Phoenix, was training she got from the Avengers and help from Scarlet Witch, if they did it the way the X-Men wanted(take literally no precautions and hope everything will turn out ok) the world would be ash floating through space.
    I don't know how mutants are responsible for the deaths the Phoenix Force caused when they weren't the ones who summoned it to Earth. She came because Scarlet Witch decimated the mutants.

    And for you mutant life doesn't matter as you are determined to ignore the fact that the terrigen cloud unleashed by the king of inhumans was KILLING MUTANTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    It wasnt the same thing for many of the reasons already mentioned. Also the mutants did not knowingly allow people to die for a year uneder their watch in support of themselves

    Yeah, Emma should have been punished. Death of Inhumans happened immediately after IVX though which is most likely why she wasnt on their radar
    Well there was quite a few years actually. The Whole ResurrXiOn comics (those started before and finished past Secret Empire).

    But as the AvX, the thing is many died and they were risking earth. I am not saying the Mutants shouldn't have allowed Hope take it in, what I am saying is they should have worked with the Avengers to move and control the situation. They just wanted it to hit Hope while they were all on earth.
    The Inhumans were at least working with the X-men to help move people, provide care to those who had been affected, and gave Beast Labs, technology, as well man power to help find a cure. The over all people say the Inhumans did nothing to help, while the X-men really did nothing to help contain the situation other then what they thought was enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noek View Post
    Well there was quite a few years actually. The Whole ResurrXiOn comics (those started before and finished past Secret Empire).

    But as the AvX, the thing is many died and they were risking earth. I am not saying the Mutants shouldn't have allowed Hope take it in, what I am saying is they should have worked with the Avengers to move and control the situation. They just wanted it to hit Hope while they were all on earth.
    The Inhumans were at least working with the X-men to help move people, provide care to those who had been affected, and gave Beast Labs, technology, as well man power to help find a cure. The over all people say the Inhumans did nothing to help, while the X-men really did nothing to help contain the situation other then what they thought was enough.
    ???? The Phoenix wasnt out there killing people by way of the X-men during ResurrXion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noek View Post
    It matters because the whole conflict is "Powers shouldn't be at the cost of lives". But in AvX this was the same conflict except Mutants were pro-powers.
    Ever hear of, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    Hey should Emma Frost be punished for the lives of the Ennilux Inhumans she took at the end of IvX?
    No. Emma was punished enough at the end of IvX with that horrible costume they made her wear, i think that should suffice for everything /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diammandis View Post
    No. Emma was punished enough at the end of IvX with that horrible costume they made her wear, i think that should suffice for everything /s
    She only used on one page, that was a slap on the wrist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askani's Flame View Post
    A few feelings I have as I was both an Inhuman and X-Fan at the time IvX came out:
    1) Marvel character assassinated the Inhumans, in particular the Royal Family, in IvX through the executives in charge even though they were trying to write them as the heroes. But even before IvX the Terrigen Cloud was a problem for the Inhumans as they were fine with the deaths of humans with Inhuman dna that would die after exposure to the Cloud or during terrigenesis. And the Royal Family was, "hmm too bad but look at these other NuHumans..."
    I agree with everything you've said, but especially this part. I don't think it was entirely out of character for them to be callous about Terrigenesis causing some deaths (they seem to accept the occasional incident of Terrigenesis going wrong as just a necessary risk in their society), but the Nuhumans should have had a huge problem with it. Hell, Inferno's mother and Flint's adoptive parents all die in the cocoons. And frankly, world governments should have raised more of a stink about the cloud not only potentially transforming some of their citizens, but also possibly killing a certain percentage. I can imagine that a lot of the newly changed Inhumans didn't question Attilan society too much because they had just gained super-powers and had nowhere else to go and no idea how to deal with it. But after awhile I can imagine some of them breaking away or rebelling, maybe a civil war or power struggle between the old Attilan-born Inhumans, and the newer ones coming in from the outside. That would have been more interesting than Inhumans vs. X-Men, or mutants dying of Terrigen poison.

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    At the end Medusa saved the mutants from genocide because it was her call and she destroyed Terrigen. She didn't let them all die. The mutants should be a little more grateful because she could've ended it, but she didn't. And Emma was ready to commit premeditated murder with the sentinels and she blew up a zeppelin or something after scheming for days or weeks. She could've not set up Cyclops's fake death so that he could become a martyr and have asked Storm to turn the cloud to ice. But Marvel wanted a versus story. Medusa should've controlled the cloud that was killing mutants, but Emma's irresponsible response was didn't save mutant lives. It was just planned to kill inhumans by being petty. Like I said, they committed genocide against the Universal Inhumans, put Black Bolt in jail and gave Medusa a cancer like illness. Emma planned to murder a race and petty fans praise her lack of reason just to get back at the inhumans.

    Emma is not innocent at all, but both team leaders should have been smarter about using their superhuman populace to solve the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    At the end Medusa saved the mutants from genocide because it was her call and she destroyed Terrigen. She didn't let them all die. The mutants should be a little more grateful because she could've ended it, but she didn't. And Emma was ready to commit premeditated murder with the sentinels and she blew up a zeppelin or something after scheming for days or weeks. She could've not set up Cyclops's fake death so that he could become a martyr and have asked Storm to turn the cloud to ice. But Marvel wanted a versus story. Medusa should've controlled the cloud that was killing mutants, but Emma's irresponsible response was didn't save mutant lives. It was just planned to kill inhumans by being petty. Like I said, they committed genocide against the Universal Inhumans, put Black Bolt in jail and gave Medusa a cancer like illness. Emma planned to murder a race and petty fans praise her lack of reason just to get back at the inhumans.

    Emma is not innocent at all, but both team leaders should have been smarter about using their superhuman populace to solve the issue.
    Yes, yes they should be a little more grateful to the person who had her lapdog husband show that they both had no qualms with killing anyone that interfered with their poison cloud.

    Grateful...right.

    Emma "planned to murder a race" but Medusa was flat out compliant in doing so. The numbers don't even compare. She sat on that throne will thousands died and no one little rinky dink ship with a half baked rescue team doesn't change that fact.
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    Medusa didnt save anyone. Thats like saying a mass shooter saved a bunch of people bc they decided to stop shooting after they've already killed and injured a bunch of people. She doesnt get a pass bc the X-men were going to destroy that cloud; as they had no choice. She doesnt get points for finally listening to them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Medusa didnt save anyone. Thats like saying a mass shooter saved a bunch of people bc they decided to stop shooting after they've already killed and injured a bunch of people. She doesnt get a pass bc the X-men were going to destroy that cloud; as they had no choice. She doesnt get points for finally listening to them
    She saved the mutants from genocide. That counts. She did all she could to save them and decided to destroy millennia of culture because she valued their lives. She said it wasn't worth the lives of mutants. Emma planned a murderer spree. She's the mass shooter you're talking about, that just wanted revenge instead of not thinking about killing people. She wasn't a hero for using the X-Men to kill for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    She saved the mutants from genocide. That counts. She did all she could to save them and decided to destroy millennia of culture because she valued their lives. She said it wasn't worth the lives of mutants. Emma planned a murderer spree. She's the mass shooter you're talking about, that just wanted revenge instead of not thinking about killing people. She wasn't a hero for using the X-Men to kill for her.
    Who did the Xmen kill? Emma alone unleashed the sentinel and none of the X-men cosigned with her

    Medusa didnt value any of the mutant lives she allowed to die. It took her a damn year to have a change of heart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    She saved the mutants from genocide. That counts. She did all she could to save them and decided to destroy millennia of culture because she valued their lives. She said it wasn't worth the lives of mutants. Emma planned a murderer spree. She's the mass shooter you're talking about, that just wanted revenge instead of not thinking about killing people. She wasn't a hero for using the X-Men to kill for her.
    She stopped a genocide that she was an active supporter of. At MOST that puts her in neutral ground and certainly not in any place for the mutants to be “grateful” for.

    Also I think we as fans need to start learning how to use “AND” phrases instead of “BUT”. The Inhumans released a deadly cloud killing countless mutants AND Emma Frost tried to commit mass murder on them in retaliation. It’s okay to point out the wrongs in both parties without completely absolving or villifying one side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom X View Post
    She stopped a genocide that she was an active supporter of. At MOST that puts her in neutral ground and certainly not in any place for the mutants to be “grateful” for.

    Also I think we as fans need to start learning how to use “AND” phrases instead of “BUT”. The Inhumans released a deadly cloud killing countless mutants AND Emma Frost tried to commit mass murder on them in retaliation. It’s okay to point out the wrongs in both parties without completely absolving or villifying one side.
    AND both reasons are great reasons for why Emma should not be inviting the Inhumans to her party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Who did the Xmen kill? Emma alone unleashed the sentinel and none of the X-men cosigned with her

    Medusa didnt value any of the mutant lives she allowed to die. It took her a damn year to have a change of heart
    Well some of the Inhumans that got sent to limbo. Plus some that tried to fight the occupation

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