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    Default How strong is Rogue right now?

    Originally, Rogue had the strength of Ms. Marvel who could press 50 tons. Then, I believe she absorbed Wonder Man's power which would make her nearly as strong as Thor. However, Carol Danvers seems to be much stronger as Captain Marvel. So, does Rogue have the same strength as Captain Marvel?

    I'm having trouble keeping track of all of this.

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    She's got Wonder Man's strength.
    Carol however has the strength of the character Marvel wants people to think of as their Wonder Woman, so she's strongest.
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    They fought early in the Captain Marvel (2019) run while Rogue was being mind-controlled and Rogue seemed to have the upper-hand physically.


    Note she does state the longer she fights Rogue, the weaker she is getting due to Rogue's ranged absorption

    Anyway if she kept all of Wonder Man's strength, she should be stronger yes. The exact amount has been made ambiguous, but she does state she's not as strong as Juggernaut (though few are).



    Her best feat post-Wonder Man leaving her body is withstanding Graviton's powers in Uncanny Avengers, which implies a Class 100+, as he's a team buster and has lifted entire cities.



    But this is Marvel, so expect different writers to have different interpretations of her limits and strength.

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    It's not known how strong Simon is after becoming a fully ionic being, but originally he was in the 90 strength-class. Carol on the other hand had become much stronger when she became Binary -- in the 100 strength-class, making her - at the time - the strongest female hero from Earth) but she lost most of that power after Avengers: Galactic Storm. Carol now have the potential to regain her Binary power-levels when she absorb enough energy. So in that fight as seen above, Rogue had the advantage, but if Hazmat feed Carol some energy, Carol could have super-sayian up -- yet Rogue could have absorb Carol's power-up so it wouldn't have mattered.

    The funny thing was, Carol as Ms. Marvel was stronger than Captain Mar-Vell (50 tons vs 10 tons respectfully).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoRogue View Post
    They fought early in the Captain Marvel (2019) run while Rogue was being mind-controlled and Rogue seemed to have the upper-hand physically.


    Note she does state the longer she fights Rogue, the weaker she is getting due to Rogue's ranged absorption

    Anyway if she kept all of Wonder Man's strength, she should be stronger yes. The exact amount has been made ambiguous, but she does state she's not as strong as Juggernaut (though few are).



    Her best feat post-Wonder Man leaving her body is withstanding Graviton's powers in Uncanny Avengers, which implies a Class 100+, as he's a team buster and has lifted entire cities.



    But this is Marvel, so expect different writers to have different interpretations of her limits and strength.

    Yeah Chrono

    Rogue is a class 100 now.

    It is clear jugg was a bit strong .. But Rogue was able to fight on an equal footing with him. And handle it without using absorption. In fact, with a push, Rogue saved Wanda's life and sent jugg flying. That he was the strongest version of jugg in his entire existence. And Rogue looked pretty even.

    For example others like Colossus only gave pain vs jugg.

    With hulk too. A newly resurrected hulk by the hand and full of anger. ROGUE was sending him flying several hundred meters across the city at the point of a clean blow.

    And about Graviton vs.



    ROGUE is a class 100 now there is no question about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scavenger View Post
    She's got Wonder Man's strength.
    Carol however has the strength of the character Marvel wants people to think of as their Wonder Woman, so she's strongest.
    Wonderman is class 100+ so Rogue too.


    CAROL is not class 100 yet. So no.

    And already Rogue and Carol faced each other in Carol's own comic. And Rogue humiliates her several times and was superior and stronger from the second 1.


    In conclusion Rogue is class 100+

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    I wonder if she got rezzed, they’d be able to let her keep her ionic powers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundershot View Post
    I wonder if she got rezzed, they’d be able to let her keep her ionic powers?
    I've been thinking about this recently, and it's something I imagine we could see explored in the new X-men book. The powers she absorbs is supposed to be part of her DNA, like when she was considered a Kree/Skrull hybrid during X-treme, but Wonder Man's ionic powers are part of his physical body, so I'm not really sure if The Five have a way to keep all that in tact. Also can she even die as an ionic form? She was shown in that Avengers alternate future to live hundreds of years without aging.

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    Wonder Man powered Rogue is Class 100, if she sill has those powers

    Ms. Marvel powered Rogue is Class 50, some unknown factor made Rogue stronger than Ms. Marvel (Carol)

    Captain Marvel (Carol) is 50-90 tons (it should be noted that she stopped a Celestial form falling on Manhattan and Celestials usually weigh less than 200 tons)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoRogue View Post


    Her best feat post-Wonder Man leaving her body is withstanding Graviton's powers in Uncanny Avengers, which implies a Class 100+, as he's a team buster and has lifted entire cities.



    But this is Marvel, so expect different writers to have different interpretations of her limits and strength.
    Graviton is a problematic villain similarly too molecule man. When they where created the full nature of their powers where not considered. So stories after has often introduced some weakness to make it more realistic for the heroes to win. With Graviton it has been his insecurity when being challenged.

    I think it’s easier to rank Simon in comparission then in the old 0-100 class. He’s bellow hulk, sentry, blue marvel and Thor(probably). Depending on what version of Hyperion he is either above or bellow. No clue about current She-hulk. He is always bellow Count Nefaria. At least until we get the last CN story ever where Simon might overtake him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malachi View Post
    Graviton is a problematic villain similarly too molecule man. When they where created the full nature of their powers where not considered. So stories after has often introduced some weakness to make it more realistic for the heroes to win. With Graviton it has been his insecurity when being challenged.

    I think it’s easier to rank Simon in comparission then in the old 0-100 class. He’s bellow hulk, sentry, blue marvel and Thor(probably). Depending on what version of Hyperion he is either above or bellow. No clue about current She-hulk. He is always bellow Count Nefaria. At least until we get the last CN story ever where Simon might overtake him.
    I think that's probably fair. Simon's not on par with the strongest powerhouses in the MU, but he's a decent runner up. I would still say he's a fair bit stronger than current Captain Marvel (Carol) at her base strength, though.

    But yeah, what this means for Rogue, who knows. The X-Men don't have a ton of physical threats to make such comparisons easy. Usually X-Men just defaults to Rogue or Colossus, if they needed that niche filled. Its only recently that Monet and Frenzy have been getting used more, a bit still on satellite teams. Sunspot as well, but he's tied up in Shi'ar shenanigans.

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    Given Rogue's powers I'm not really interested in her being in the Class 100 ranking. Her strength level never matter to me because I always saw her as a wild card that could fill any role.

    It's the same reason I like Vixen.
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    Wonderman is one of the strongest superheroes in all of marvel, definitely stronger than captain marvel. So rogue now should be stronger than before.

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    Wonderman is close to thor's strength and would be stronger then wonder woman,but not as fast.

    Anyway here is some updated info.
    Simon Williams (Earth-616)

    Physical Strength
    Class 100+. It has been suggested throughout his career that he is almost as strong as the Sentry; Captain America himself makes this comparison in might. it has also been suggested that his strength is equal to that of Thor, though Williams has acknowledged that Thor is stronger than him. For example, originally both were listed as class 95 in the handbook, although this scale is only for comparisons between characters, and not to be taken anywhere near literally. Since his return his strength has only increased, being physically able to best and restrain the Red Hulk with little to no difficulty.
    Carol Danvers (Earth-616)
    Superhuman Strength: Carol is superhumanly strong, though her specific level of strength has varied over the years. She was previously listed at a level of roughly Class 50, half her original strength as Binary.However, since she is able to absorb and manipulate various types of energy, she can use this redirected energy to temporarily increase her physical strength to near-Binary levels, or Class 100+.Currently, her strength level at its resting rate allows her to support well over 100 tons, as she was able to support the weight of dead Celestial as one fell to Earth.

    Super Strength: When she originally became Ms. Marvel, Carol's strength level was such that she could lift approximately 50 tons under normal conditions. This made her many times stronger than heroes such as Spider-Man, but not as strong as others such as the Thing. Ms. Marvel was shown easily lifting and hurling cars and tanks, tearing through five-inch steel with her bare hands, and shattering reinforced concrete with her fists. It was this strength level that the mutant Rogue acquired after stealing Carol's original Ms. Marvel powers.
    Being captured and experimented on by the Brood awakened an almost godlike level of power in Carol due to her unique Kree/human genetic configuration, causing her to become Binary. As Binary, Carol could tap into the energy of a white hole, giving her class-100 strength, meaning she could easily lift well over 100 tons under normal conditions. Her strength level became so great that it was never accurately quantified.

    After losing her Binary powers and reverting back to Ms. Marvel, Carol's strength dropped much closer to its original level, though it was still greater than before. She could now lift 75 tons under normal conditions, making her approximately fifty percent stronger than she was prior to losing her powers to Rogue. Under extreme circumstances Carol has shown the ability to tap into her cosmic Binary powers once again, allowing her to reach class-100 strength levels for brief periods. She has also shown an ability to achieve class-100 strength if she has absorbed a great deal of external energy. Recent tests by Avengers scientist Hank Pym have shown that Carol's base strength level is still increasing. Even when not augmented by any additional energy, Carol can now lift 92 tons and strike with a similar level of force, and Pym has theorized that this is likely not her limit.

    This was shown to be the case as time and experience had increased her physical capabilities well beyond their original limits, with and without the need of absorbing energy. Carol having lifted a dead celestial barehanded, which considering the immense height and mass, can weigh well into billions of tons.
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    Superhuman Strength: Presumably possesses vast superhuman strength, the limits of which aren't known, and she is listed as Class 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post
    Wonderman is close to thor's strength and would be stronger then wonder woman,but not as fast.
    I don't think he has any lifting feats to support him being stronger than Wonder Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post
    This was shown to be the case as time and experience had increased her physical capabilities well beyond their original limits, with and without the need of absorbing energy. Carol having lifted a dead celestial barehanded, which considering the immense height and mass, can weigh well into billions of tons.
    Uh...no. While Celestials are huge, they actually weight less than air and generally weigh less than 200 tons. It's in their Marvel writer-up...which is still impressive for Carol.

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