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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravin' Ray View Post
    From what I read she's the antagonist and not Filipino-American Cap Ari Agbayani (there are jokes running around the Fil-Am and Filipino communities because "ari" is slang for genitals, though it also means property or possession in general) who is in the backup story. Ari is short for "Arielle".



    This is the Peach Momoko variant cover for #4
    Can't lie, love the concept, although I wish Peach put a little more effort into designing the mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravin' Ray View Post
    From what I read she's the antagonist and not Filipino-American Cap Ari Agbayani (there are jokes running around the Fil-Am and Filipino communities because "ari" is slang for genitals, though it also means property or possession in general) who is in the backup story. Ari is short for "Arielle".
    I read that the antagonist was some rich kid who was harassing her friend and because of the daddy's deep pockets the school sweeps it under the rug.

    Considering she is wearing the American Flag for a mask I would think she is another Cap inspired person. Maybe more inspired by John than Steve.

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    As for your question maybe it is the name itself?

    Is it bad that I am at a loss for Herc/Logan the most?.... not really for the straight argument but it was already portrayed in an alternate universe anyway and portrayed in 616 it would be too weird. It makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by From The Shadows View Post
    Is it bad that I am at a loss for Herc/Logan the most?.... not really for the straight argument but it was already portrayed in an alternate universe anyway and portrayed in 616 it would be too weird. It makes no sense.
    Hercules is bisexual (at least he should be when Marvel doesn't straightwash Greek mythos) while Wolverine is straight. That's my take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravin' Ray View Post
    From what I read she's the antagonist and not Filipino-American Cap Ari Agbayani (there are jokes running around the Fil-Am and Filipino communities because "ari" is slang for genitals, though it also means property or possession in general) who is in the backup story. Ari is short for "Arielle".



    This is the Peach Momoko variant cover for #4
    Really its this. These boards are so insular and hyper-focused on yelling bigotry that they are ignorantly unaware that it
    was the NATIVE AMERICAN comics community complaining about the native character, because its literally looking like the mascots they're fighting sports companies to get rid of.
    Its the members of comics community who have origins IN the Philippines that HATE the fact that their culture is being used for a worthless cash grab.

    So you know... beware the type of person trying to diminish the voices of the minority groups giving valid critique and complaint.

    No its by no means "The same old racism" its disgust at HOW they're not even trying with these offerings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudicatorPrime View Post
    Interesting interpretation.

    I offer another possibility -- a devil's advocate, if you will. The sole directive of Logan's mutant physiology is to heal/survive by any means necessary. We all know that environment can drive a living creature's biology down any number of paths, with said creature adapting accordingly in order to meet its prime directive. Lastly, and most importantly, we all know how emotional well-being ties into our overall notion of "good health." It's partly why the idea that Wolverine has a malignant psychosis never really made sense...because one would assume that his brain would inevitably heal from any and all traumas and abnormalities.

    Given all of the above, no, it's not completely far-fetched for someone like Wolverine to be bi-sexual. In fact, I'll go a step further and suggest that if Wolverine was eternally confined to a closed system with one other alpha male whom he could not kill or otherwise dominate, Logan would eventually experience changes in his hormonal balance that would effectively make him a female. This change would be the result of his body "healing" from the trauma caused by the biological incompatibility between the two remaining individuals. Crazy? Far-fetched??? Just ask frogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight_v View Post
    Really its this. These boards are so insular and hyper-focused on yelling bigotry that they are ignorantly unaware that it
    was the NATIVE AMERICAN comics community complaining about the native character, because its literally looking like the mascots they're fighting sports companies to get rid of.
    Its the members of comics community who have origins IN the Philippines that HATE the fact that their culture is being used for a worthless cash grab.

    So you know... beware the type of person trying to diminish the voices of the minority groups giving valid critique and complaint.

    No its by no means "The same old racism" its disgust at HOW they're not even trying with these offerings.
    Yes, YES, YESSS, it is the marginalized folks fault! They are the one's who attack and brigade creators driving them off of social media platforms! It is THEY who create tons of youtube "essays" decrying the erasure of prominent white fictional characters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight_v View Post
    Its the members of comics community who have origins IN the Philippines that HATE the fact that their culture is being used for a worthless cash grab.
    After reading the reactions on Facebook and Twitter by both Filipinos and Fil-Ams, I see it is split between positive and negative. Some don't like the appropriation, while others like the increased presence of Filipinos in Marvel (following Agents of Atlas member Wave). But whether it will be worthless or not remains to be seen. It's not a guarantee of course that just because Ari Agbayani's story is written by Fil-Am Alyssa Wong, it will reflect positively on the Fil-Am experience; after all, she's likely basing it on her own personal experience which is not representative of all Fil-Ams. But a story can be both good and a cash grab, they're not mutually exclusive.
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    Companies never put money into anything if they don’t think it will ultimately make them more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehustle415 View Post
    Yes, YES, YESSS, it is the marginalized folks fault! They are the one's who attack and brigade creators driving them off of social media platforms! It is THEY who create tons of youtube "essays" decrying the erasure of prominent white fictional characters!
    You're talking without listening here, my guy. You're chasing ghosts and fighting against people that aren't even relevant to this. Those guys over there are always mad, but the people who this "misrepresents" are not to be shouted down, by you cause your still spooked w/the same old boogeyman. The People that are mad ARE the marginalized folks. So stop being bombastic, please. This is a "do better" moment.

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    Companies never put money into anything if they don’t think it will ultimately make them more money.
    Agreed. Theyre wrong. Often. Most companies dont make it long term.
    So basically sure. Nothing wrong with sjootimg theyre shot but listenimg to valid criticism help to hit the mark.

    Annnnd... that all the patience I got for this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehustle415 View Post
    Yes, YES, YESSS, it is the marginalized folks fault! They are the one's who attack and brigade creators driving them off of social media platforms! It is THEY who create tons of youtube "essays" decrying the erasure of prominent white fictional characters!
    Yeah. Gawd, why can't marginalized people just be happy being marginalized, amirite? It's not like white straight people have never been margina...

    ...oh wait. That's right. They never have, have they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    Yeah. Gawd, why can't marginalized people just be happy being marginalized, amirite? It's not like white straight people have never been margina...

    ...oh wait. That's right. They never have, have they?
    Well every group face invasions in the past and were conquered,even whites.
    Some Examples -mongolian armies invaded eastern europe and other places,spain being invaded by moors,berbers and arabs etc..etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post
    Well every group face invasions in the past and were conquered,even whites.
    Some Examples -mongolian armies invaded eastern europe and other places,spain being invaded by moors,berbers and arabs etc..etc..
    And how does that affect how PoC are marginalized nowadays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post
    Well every group face invasions in the past and were conquered,even whites.
    Some Examples -mongolian armies invaded eastern europe and other places,spain being invaded by moors,berbers and arabs etc..etc..
    I'll accept that. That said, I bet those Eastern Europeans were just thrilled about their marginalized status.

    So if they weren't, I don't see why POC should have to be, either.
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