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    Exactly. The X-Men don't have any vulnerability or grounding anymore. They're no different than the Eternals, Asgardians or Inhumans. You know why Gabby dying mattered? Because she's not an immortal super god, unlike literally every single other character in the franchise. Which is why New Mutants was better than planet size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    Let’s be real, that is a forced editorial mandate used to try to justify the direction. It’s literally never going to happen because then there’d be no reason for the X-Men to exist. But the thing with flexes, when everything is nothing but flexes, it’s boring because it creates the ‘boring invincible’ archetype. Part of what makes the X-Men enjoyable is their human side. Not everything has to be a flex.
    How in god's name have the mutants been invincible? Like seriously what comic have you been reading where the mutants are in invincible?

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    So...you want them to be more human towards those who consider them less than human.
    We might get your wish...with Duggan's X-Men. I can't wait to see Scott and Jean and the others show their humanity. I'm genuinely very excited to see them be heroic in the most literal sense of the word.
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    Well they aren't unkillable but they pop back up a page later. People used to say death in comics was just for shock value, but at least usually it had an interesting story leading into it. Death of Wolverine, Death of Spider-Man, Death of Superman. Now it's just shock value without payoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    Exactly. The X-Men don't have any vulnerability or grounding anymore. They're no different than the Eternals, Asgardians or Inhumans. You know why Gabby dying mattered? Because she's not an immortal super god, unlike literally every single other character in the franchise. Which is why New Mutants was better than planet size.
    The group of people who have been hunted and genocided more times than I can count have no vulnerabilities ooooooooook

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    You guys are only focusing on the "flexing", which is obviously your right. But there have been a ton of vulnerable and tender moments which you're choosing to ignore.



    I won't post the gorgeous Ororo/Emma scene after Kate's death cause I don't feel like ruining my mascara.

    Quote Originally Posted by Outburstz View Post
    The group of people who have been hunted and genocided more times than I can count have no vulnerabilities ooooooooook
    As soon as victims stand up for themselves they're "only flexing". Ha!
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    Like if there's...what 20+ million at the minimum, and have the power to rehape worlds at a whim, with huge politically economic and cultural control, does the "oppressed minority" allegory even work anymore? How does an oppressed minority "Reign" exactly
    Last edited by gonnagiveittoya; 06-20-2021 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    Well they aren't unkillable but they pop back up a page later. People used to say death in comics was just for shock value, but at least usually it had an interesting story leading into it. Death of Wolverine, Death of Spider-Man, Death of Superman. Now it's just shock value without payoff
    If you are reading a comic book expecting people to stay dead I got bad news for you.

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    Racists and xenophobes will keep looking for ways to exterminate mutants, peace and understanding only works when the other side is willing to listen and is capable of tolerance, after all I saw 2020 I’m convinced that reason and logic just do not work when dealing with unreasonable, ignorant individuals, nothing the x-men will ever do will change the minds of the bigots hell bent on wiping them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outburstz View Post
    If you are reading a comic book expecting people to stay dead I got bad news for you.
    Again, at least with those deaths good stories came with them even if they stayed dead. hell Death of Wolverine gave us Logan, one of the best superhero movies ever made. That wouldn't have happened in the Krakoa era

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    You guys are only focusing on the "flexing", which is obviously your right. But there have been a ton of vulnerable and tender moments which you're choosing to ignore.



    I won't post the gorgeous Ororo/Emma scene after Kate's death cause I don't feel like ruining my mascara.



    As soon as victims stand up for themselves they're "only flexing". Ha!
    They've been the vast minority fringe of the run though. Hickmans lead has been the opposite, and he's the one in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    Like if there's...what 20+ million at the minimum, and have the power to rehape worlds at a whim, with huge politically economic and cultural control, does the "oppressed minority" allegory even work anymore?
    Yeah I noticed you edited this post real quick huh


    idk why don't you ask the thousands of mutants who are not omega or alpha level what life was like under certain governments

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    They've been the vast minority fringe of the run though. Hickmans lead has been the opposite, and he's the one in charge.
    I disagree.



    Look at those mutant supremacist children flexing, not letting a bunch of heavily armed humans kill them. How dare they cry.
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    You are correct the random background characters to the ones who can teleport across the planet and level cities with a thought might have it harder, but they aren't the focus of the vast majority of the books aside from New Mutants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    I disagree.



    Look at those mutant supremacist children flexing, not letting a bunch of heavily armed humans kill them. How dare they cry.
    Man if only the Omegas used their powers to immediately eliminate the threat, the only reason which they don't being "the plot says they can't yet", instead of using them to flex

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