I am view Krakoa's clean slate granting to former baddies more of an experiment than outright forgivness. They are trying to prove that in a world where Mutants don't have to deal with hatred and fear that forces them to survive, Mutants don't have any reason to do harm, especially to their own kind. I don't think this is a matter of if individuals are forgiven for their crime, but more is that they are trying to offer an honest do-over on life.
I think Sabertooth was sacrificed at the beginning for give them an out if any of them were to do something now. That doesn't stop any of them from doing bad things, but obviously they can't do what they were doing before.
I mean, with what they have shown so far, the Council could literally kill them off and resurrect them with a different personality, so it isn't a power-collection thing, they really want to see if they can make this Mutant nation angle work for all. which is what I find fascinating personally.
This is essentially a redemption arc on a massive scale, and people often think that redemption arcs should be atonement arcs, and they are not the same thing. But Jason doesn't have to do that to be ally here. Angel is the closest to Jean, so only he would have a believable complaint but I can also see him brushing what Jason did off, given his own experiences with manipulation.
Much like when the Maddie vote happen I would like to know Jean's thoughts on all of this but until she guest stars is not really relevant to this story.
Moira life 4(?) was a peaceful mutant paradise and the Sentinels went and blew it up. This is not about giving mutants a second chance, it is all about an endgame which involves a critical mass of mutants as well as enough power to win the arms race.
In fact, it might just be about triggering the Extinction Gene.
Obviously Moira's plan is at work here, but we're still waiting for more info on that front.
I'm arguing more from a social/personal perspective of why mutants would agree to this new world order. Why would people be okay with giving them a pass and work with them. From their perspective they are trying to build that peaceful mutant paradise, regardless of what Moira, Xavier and Magneto are doing backstage.
Yes, that would be an argument. Do you think it would be so unanimous that the few dissenting opinions, aside from maybe Wolverine during the scene all the villains arrive, have only ever been for the purpose of other plots (e.g. the Hellions, Monet hating nazis)? Maybe that is a mystery in itself, or maybe the façade of unity is serving a story purpose that has been delayed, as Way of X hints at things not being so rosy.
"Danielle... I intend to do something rash and violent." - Betsy Braddock
Krakoa, Arakko, and Otherworld forever!
I do think it's definitely on purpose. People like to argue that some characters are being ooc, but to me no one's being that much different as they would be under any other writer that ignores certain charaterizations. But I do think that the lack of push back is very on purpose and Way of X, along with whatever Raven will be up to is sowing the seeds. I think that while I do love this era so far, they took too long to introduce the dissenting opinions on Krakoa, but I think we as readers, both the ones that like or dislike this new direction, are meant to question these things and wonder why there's no pushback. I do think there's a much larger thing going on, but I can also believe that some are just tired of how things were and are willing to let go of things for the promise of something hopeful.
Exactly. In the case of Jean in particular she was a higher being for a while, and holding Phoenix and Maddies memories for another while. We don't have a real framework to how she views that part of the Dark Phoenix Saga. It doesn't help that whenever its been brought up before the blame is place mostly on her (As people focused on her actions after she went Dark rather than what led there).
Angel on the other hand has never had a good handle on his own person, and constantly lets these older men come into his life an influence him Cameron Hodge, Apocalypse and I guess now Jason.
He's a comic character so you dont need to forgive him but you are coming at this in defense of the victim and its a non-issue in the books. Jean has bigger fish to fry and isnt in a space where she even has to interact with Mastermind. I dont believe she has even done so this era
"Danielle... I intend to do something rash and violent." - Betsy Braddock
Krakoa, Arakko, and Otherworld forever!