Namor the Sub-Mariner, Marvel's oldest character, will have been published for 85 years in 2024. So where's my GOOD Namor anniversary ongoing, Marvel?
I'm not a shipper.
Also, you're right he was created 60 years ago. 50 of which it was allowed to deviate from the "norm" of being straight. Its not shocking that some may have the view that if Johnny was created today he might not be straight. Plus some of his interactions over the years could have been interpreted as not being 100% heterosexual. Because like you said, this is fiction. Which opens itself up towards interpretation.
Plus him being bi or pan does no damage to the characters integrity. Literally all of his past relationships would remain the same. If he was made gay then all his past relationships would be viewed in a different light, like Icemans, but being bi/pan leaves most of his past romantic relationships unchanged.
So I honestly don't see the issue. It give representation to an underrepresented demographic while barely changing the character. Honestly, what about Johnny would be negatively impacted? What would be changed besides him being attracted to a guy every now and then? I don't see the problem.
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What actions are you talking about? If it's the cheating from this arc, that's just the writer. Johnny has been loyal in all of his major relationships and those only ended due to the the partner's actions or events out of his control.
Dorrie - couldn't handle the superhero crap
Medusa - got her memories back and was already betrothed
Crystal - left because she would've died; started another relationship with Quicksilver
Alicia - was Lyja
Lyja - "killed" by Onslaught; chick turned evil
Namorita - new writer
Daria - got close Scott Lang
Also I don't know why people are using the Daken interactions as proof that Johnny's bi. If pheromone manipulation was involved, it doesn't count. We already went over this with Starfox. You can't use that just because it supports yor "bi" theory and then say "I ain't a shipper, bruv".
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I was just re-reading parts 1 and 2 for clues and three setups caught my eye:
1. The big fight in part 1 in which Johnny chooses to help another woman, feels like a setup for a similar scene in part 3 in which he chooses to help Sky and therefore showing his dedication. Next scene they reconcile and live happily ever after ....
2. Showing us that Alicia has a perfect sculpture of Doom then demonstrating her power on Lyja, then telling us in part 2 that she is staying behind in New York. Feels like Alicia is going to use her power on Doom. Maybe she's the reason he's in space now, she forced him to abdicate the thrown for a while or something. Would also be a big plot for a Doom returns story next year.
3. Zora saying "I didn't know he planned this". Implying it's a planned trap, but how would she know? Maybe a Doom manipulated Zora (and Johnny) twist is coming. Basically taking any blame from Zora and Johnny in process, would tie in with the Johnny/Sky story and keep Zora as Latverian ruler possibly for the duration of Doom in space story
Maybe i missed something but i think that's the basic structure for the story. Still not sure what Namor and Black Panther bring to the story, honestly. Just wedding guest for a few gags and bodies for the big fight, i suppose.
I absolutely despise the trope of 2 sworn enemies trying making peace but then something about one sides previous actions come up and all goes to hell. The only highlight of the issue for me is Namor's reaction to Zora's confession.
Flash:Rebirth (2009). Both Barry's parents were alive and well for most of his publishing history. They saw him get married to Iris and then almost hitched to Fiona Webb before Barry snapped Thrawns neck to prevent him pulling another Iris on her.
The new set up was concocted by Geoff John's to give Barry some trauma in his past. A reason why he became such a dedicated forensics scientist. Also something to strengthen his ties to Batman (both bonding over investigational techniques) and with Hal Jordan (Space Cop).
So Fantastic Four definitely did it first.
So is Latveria still going to support Doom after this incident.
I've read a lot of bad FF storylines but this one really takes the cake.
This is the equivalent of William destroying the Abbey after being told Kate Middleton cheated on him with Harry.
It was an amazingly expected and unoriginal development. The worst part was the damage done to the Zora character who was shaping up to be one of Slott's more popular successes on this run. Will she disappear? Will she even survive? She certainly won't become the second voice in the government of Latveria she could have been.
I’ll don the mask and wear the cape
If I am super, how can I wait?
Proof? No, but it definitely is evidence backing the speculation. My understanding is Daken's power pushes people in a direction they might have taken. That is, Daken couldn't seduce a totally straight man, or lesbian woman but only people who have some sexual interest in a male. Is Johnny bi? Maybe, but there's nothing in canon. As to whether fans want him to be, well, this is a fictitious comic book superhero and we arecertainly able to have differing opinions.
I’ll don the mask and wear the cape
If I am super, how can I wait?
I wasn't talking about the cheating from this arc - That's just Slott trashing Johnny's character.
I was more referring to various writers in the last say 10-15 years that revert Johnny to the irresponsible man-child and introducing some random model/actress flavor of the month. We know from past stories that Johnny has more depth and heart than that.
I have always felt that Johnny has played the part of free wheeling showboat to cover his fears letting down his family and friends, and even worse, losing control of his powers and hurting people.
Latverians have a history of forgetting about some of the self inflicted destruction on the country. But everything usually gets fixed again pretty quickly. It probably keeps unemployment low.
Yes, I think this harms her character quite a lot. And more important, it will destroy Doom's trust in her. IMO Cantwell is a better "caretaker" of her character.
So, I haven't bought an issue of this comic since the Franklin Fiasco of Xv4 and the whole 'psych, you never were a mutant and literally everyone you ever met was wrong or lying' narrative being introduced. But I follow it out of curiosity, and read through it on racks to see if it improves, as I like the characters, and usually the writer.
This felt - and this isnt a compliment - like a throwback to the Golden Age, in terms of all the tropes on display and the general...fluffiness of it all. All tension is lost because it all feels so...goofy and meaningless, when it isnt just...mean.
I don't hate Slott, and I enjoyed the hell out of his run on Spider-Man, but I'm just...not able to get into his F4. Between the forced Johnny/Sky pairing that has made Johnny look worse than I think hes ever looked as a person, the aformentioned Franklin mess, the whole team being low-key (and sometimes openly) racist against mutants suddenly despite working with them happily in the past, and the seeming lack of any sort of plot through line or end goal in mind other than 'screw mutants, we're science, Johnny is a terrible person, Sue is a Karen now who WILL speak to the manager of Krakoa, Reed emotionally abuses and does genetic experiments on his children, Doom is a massive threat no wait hes a joke no wait hes a threat no wait hes a joke...
And even worse, I just can't seem to remember anything from previous issues OTHER than the things I listed...and its disappointing. Wasnt there some new cosmic threat guy? Cormorant or something? Whatever happened to him? Has anything of value been done with the 'Better than the crummy mutant plant gates' portal they now conveniently have? Is there a POINT to Sky other than making Johnny less likeable?
Complaints aside. I DO like Ben and Alicia raising the Kree and Skrull brats and trying to do right by them, though the intimations that Alicia may follow in her father's footsteps and go evil are...not so great. But I guess time will tell. Maybe, when it's over and I reread it, it'll be better. It'll make sense. But man...I went from excited to have them back post-Secret Wars to wishing the F4 was still off being demigods rather than doing...whatever they're doing since they returned...
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Slott writes like someone pretending to be in the 60s
It’s corny, cringe and stupid.
This whole run has been a mess and I hope we get a new team soon because even Silva is phoning in his art on this compared to his xmen work, which is a shame because I love his art but it feels like he doesn’t want to be on this book.
Give us Stegman or Booth on art, no idea who’s free to write.