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    Quote Originally Posted by Rang10 View Post
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    Ewing said that Brand isn't 100% right and will soon enter the conflict of protecting Earth vs Krakoa
    Which, even if it plays out exactly as you suspect, still has right around "Nothing..." to do with the lay of the land right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    They apparently like it better when the X-Men are fighting for the acceptance, respect, and friendship of the very humans who've chosen to reject them, persecute them, and try to wipe them all out time and again, as opposed to the X-Men (and mutants as a whole) finally making it clear that they won't "play nice" with those that would seek to destroy them out of base fear and hatred anymore. To me, it's kind of reflective of where a lot of them really stand on the real-world issues of collective marginalization and disenfranchisement that the X-Men as a franchise allegorize; it's fine if real-world minorities or otherwise marginalized peoples are scraping and begging for a place at the dominant culture's table, but if they set up their own, better table and start dictating terms from there, that's where the problem starts.
    Exactly. It's all fine being a "model minority", but begin kneeling at the national anthem and people riot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    They apparently like it better when the X-Men are fighting for the acceptance, respect, and friendship of the very humans who've chosen to reject them, persecute them, and try to wipe them all out time and again, as opposed to the X-Men (and mutants as a whole) finally making it clear that they won't "play nice" with those that would seek to destroy them out of base fear and hatred anymore. To me, it's kind of reflective of where a lot of them really stand on the real-world issues of collective marginalization and disenfranchisement that the X-Men as a franchise allegorize; it's fine if real-world minorities or otherwise marginalized peoples are scraping and begging for a place at the dominant culture's table, but if they set up their own, better table and start dictating terms from there, that's where the problem starts.
    Pretty much lol.

    But the rise continues, as it should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Oh, you guys read that short in Alpha Flight: True North, too? Yeah, that was messed up. And on top of that, as of the last issue of the Ravencroft miniseries, Hudson is also part of a new shadowy government organization called J.A.N.U.S. (after the god of two faces) that's been manipulating events in Ravencroft Asylum for some unknown sinister purpose; given one of its other members is Malcolm Colcord, formerly of Weapon X, Hudson hooking up with another longtime mutant-hater like Gyrich . . .



    Pretty much.
    oh yea J.A.N.U.S. i think that group also ha madame hydra, the contessa and the leader of aim. it would be interesting if the they allied with orchis. not sure what purpose they serve outside of ravencroft.

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    I just find it problematic that Krakoa would have a Regent to speak for all of Sol when there are other beings who didn’t get a say on who speaks for them. There is still colony of Eternals on one of Jupiter’s moons and though they may keep to themselves how can you pick one person to speak for whole solar system without other’s consent. This is really going to fall hard in a way that Krakoa may not be able to handle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    They apparently like it better when the X-Men are fighting for the acceptance, respect, and friendship of the very humans who've chosen to reject them, persecute them, and try to wipe them all out time and again, as opposed to the X-Men (and mutants as a whole) finally making it clear that they won't "play nice" with those that would seek to destroy them out of base fear and hatred anymore. To me, it's kind of reflective of where a lot of them really stand on the real-world issues of collective marginalization and disenfranchisement that the X-Men as a franchise allegorize; it's fine if real-world minorities or otherwise marginalized peoples are scraping and begging for a place at the dominant culture's table, but if they set up their own, better table and start dictating terms from there, that's where the problem starts.
    Please don't do this. Many members have posted very well written reasons why the X-Men as an allegory for ethnic, racial, and sexual minorities falls apart beyond superficial comparisons. That was before the Krakoan era, and before the latest expansion. In fact, comparing mutants as they are now in the MU with minorities would be playing into the grossest, fear mongering crap hateful bigots say in real life. Things like [insert group] wants to impoverish your group, take all the power, pervert society, become the ones in charge, etc... By all means revel in the feats our heroes are pulling off, the fantastic Pepe Larraz art we're getting, but the story Hickman and co. are writing has a consistent subtext running through it. One that is wholly incompatible with the strife and struggles of real world oppressed people.

    Anyways, back to SWORD, I'm glad people remembered what Ewing said about Abigail's position eventually leading to conflict between protecting Earth vs Krakoa. Right after the line everyone keeps citing where she says she doesn't work for Krakoa, Magneto chides her and points out the origanization is staffed and funded 100% by mutants, and she herself is a mutant. For example, this latest move by Krakoa? It gave her another SWORD station. There are millions more of her people, they're now the capital of the solar system, and the regent (ruler) of all in the solar system is a mutant. She is a fool if she thinks she's going to at any point prioritize protecting the Earth over Arrako without the Council yanking on the reins to get her under control.

    Also, props for everyone breaking down why there are legitimate reasons why countries and people would automatically reject the expansionist actions taken, the instant diminishment of this location being the capital (center of power) of the Solar System, and a new ruler for ALL life in the system. Trying to paint people as bigots in-universe for not going YASSSS when you're being commanded to bend the knee to some far flung clowns you had no say in. Kings, Presidents, Cultural leaders, fans of representative rule, etc... have all the reason in the world to dislike this. And being told it's not so bad, you have this seat at the table we've unilaterally created, is incredibly condescending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
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    Also, props for everyone breaking down why there are legitimate reasons why countries and people would automatically reject the expansionist actions taken, the instant diminishment of this location being the capital (center of power) of the Solar System, and a new ruler for ALL life in the system. Trying to paint people as bigots in-universe for not going YASSSS when you're being commanded to bend the knee to some far flung clowns you had no say in. Kings, Presidents, Cultural leaders, fans of representative rule, etc... have all the reason in the world to dislike this. And being told it's not so bad, you have this seat at the table we've unilaterally created, is incredibly condescending.
    Yeah...

    Because someone else taking the lead in dealing with the next alien attack on Earth is all downside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Yeah...

    Because someone else taking the lead in dealing with the next alien attack on Earth is all downside...
    You are operating with knowledge almost no one in the Marvel Universe save for Xavier, Magneto, and Moira know of. And if they were better allies, they'd reach out to the rest of the global and intergalactic population about a Phalanx threat they'll need help with.
    Instead it's unilateral power moves and a continued effort at creating and maintaining a mutant dominion (as stated by Magneto himself).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    You are operating with knowledge almost no one in the Marvel Universe save for Xavier, Magneto, and Moira know of. And if they were better allies, they'd reach out to the rest of the global and intergalactic population about a Phalanx threat they'll need help with.
    Instead it's unilateral power moves and a continued effort at creating and maintaining a mutant dominion (as stated by Magneto himself).
    Everyone with two eyes that work saw Galactus big as could be trucking into NYC like Godzilla.

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    Past that...

    It is laughable to say there is one threat.

    Every human in attendance would easily know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covetous_One View Post
    I just find it problematic that Krakoa would have a Regent to speak for all of Sol when there are other beings who didn’t get a say on who speaks for them. There is still colony of Eternals on one of Jupiter’s moons and though they may keep to themselves how can you pick one person to speak for whole solar system without other’s consent. This is really going to fall hard in a way that Krakoa may not be able to handle.
    I mean america and most of the most powerful countries in the world make decisions everyone has to live with. It makes sense that the most powerful nation gets to do that.

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    Random - has anyone else noticed how Hickman has transformed the title? Meaning, conversation tends to focus on Krakoa and mutants; Krakoans. It feels almost wrong to attribute all that’s going on to “the X-Men.” And there was that talk a couple years ago about rebranding the title to get away from its gender-specific title. Mission accomplished it seems

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Past that...

    It is laughable to say there is one threat.

    Every human in attendance would easily know better.
    Making Planet Arakki(Mars) in Storm’s words a “barrier” between Earth and incoming threats to Earth is not bad. Krakoa having a Regent to speak for every person in Sol without consent is completely wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    I mean america and most of the most powerful countries in the world make decisions everyone has to live with. It makes sense that the most powerful nation gets to do that.
    No it doesn’t make it right when America does it and it doesn’t make it right when Krakoa does it. Plus we are talking about people who don’t even live on Earth who didn’t get consent, Eternals who live on Titan weren’t asked. Following one countries bad habits is terrible if you are supposed to be above such lowly people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Covetous_One View Post
    Making Planet Arakki(Mars) in Storm’s words a “barrier” between Earth and incoming threats to Earth is not bad. Krakoa having a Regent to speak for every person in Sol without consent is completely wrong.
    While I might agree that it is not a perfect approach, it is the most logical way to stop humanity from stepping into the lion's den that is now on Mars.

    About as "Open And Shut..." as that.

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