Are youtubers really a comic-book fans?

[LAWtoyoto 432]

After seeing so many videos about the big two, there seem a lot of buzz how "MANGA destroy western comics", "Manga outsellings the sales chart" or "DC and Marvel are dying while Manga are rising" make me wonder they are all use to be a comic book fans with one of these big two.

For example:

• They said they use to support the run or buy their trades all the time back then, until when Marvel start pandering some propoganda or political stuff, they stop buying some books.
• Based on the news they receive from the internet, many source said Manga have outsells the comics industry for years.
• It seem that the big two keep shoving SJW/Woke, it make them they start spearding these truths to other people so that they could stop buying any product from the industry.
• They clearly answer the question very similar "Why do DC and Marvel didn't listen 80% actual fans and instead go and listen the 5% twitter minority when they knew they won't buy the comics at all". Hearing this is complete ashame and embarassing given the current state.

While I can fully agree their opinion, but it clearly show how awful today western comics as compared to literature and manga when it come to story-wise, art-styles, character personality and fans demand. It's no surprise that many people are moving to manga and ditching Marvel and DC.

[skyvolt2000]

If they were real comic book fans-they could make an argument without the following.

They said they use to support the run or buy their trades all the time back then, until when Marvel start pandering some propoganda or political stuff, they stop buying some books.

Then why can't they provide actual examples when asked? Not here say but actually pages.

It seem that the big two keep shoving SJW/Woke, it make them they start spearding these truths to other people so that they could stop buying any product from the industry.

Marvel and DC does not speak for nor represent every comic book company.
I bought 30 comics yesterday. Only 5 were DC & Marvel. Everyone else was indy.

They are not spreading truth. They are pandering to an echo chamber.

Based on the news they receive from the internet, many source said Manga have outsells the comics industry for years.

Manga-yes it does outsell comics because I don't have to go to a comic book store to buy one. I can go to Wal-Mart, Target and other places for them.
ACCESS (and price) give Manga the advantage.

They clearly answer the question very similar "Why do DC and Marvel didn't listen 80% actual fans and instead go and listen the 5% twitter minority when they knew they won't buy the comics at all". Hearing this is complete ashame and embarassing given the current state

As for 80%- the same claim of that 5% won't buy the comic at all APPLIES to the 80% as well.

How many of the 80% YELLED for a book? Yet did the greatest gymnastic routines to NOT support those books?

How many of the 80% yelled at folks about not buying a book but have no issues NOT supporting a book because they don't like the creators or story?

How many of the 80% have HATE bought a badly done book because of who was on the cover. I HEAR how bad Heroes in Crisis, various X-men events and others?

Have the 80% visited a comic book store and see all the UNSOLD copies of Batman and X-Men?

[Username taken]

Skyvolt pretty much nailed it.

Manga and American superhero comics don’t have identical distribution. Manga is sold in channels where superhero comics are not. And most importantly, the entire comic industry isn’t Marvel and DC. These guys complain about Marvel and DC pandering but I’m seeing Boom studios sell massive numbers of minority led titles like Eve. It’s not so much that Marvel and DC are pandering as much as they are trying to reach a growing audience that’s kind of untapped.

The YouTubers covering comics are largely pandering to the anti-SJW crowd. From what I’ve read, large numbers of the anti- SJW crowd are NOT comic fans, that’s why they are buying into the false narratives the youtubers are selling. Sadly, we live in the age of misinformation and lots of people have bought into the dreck the youtubers are selling.

And for the record Marvel and DC aren’t dying. With both companies more or less partially by-passing Diamond distribution, there’s a possibility both companies are selling more books than before. If Marvel’s partnership with Penguin pans out, they could have access to areas they didn’t have before.

[GenericUsername]

Some probably are, some probably aren't. A good majority seem to just drum up stuff for drama for clicks.

[Anthony W]

Some comic pros are starting to sound like them. Eric Larsen ( of all people) out here saying "These companies are floundering and failing. The threat from upstairs is that they'll go to all reprints and stop producing new material. They're doing everything they can to stay alive. If you can't afford it--do without."

Marvel has Disney money Eric.

[ZuLuLu]

Some probably are, some probably aren't. A good majority seem to just drum up stuff for drama for clicks.

This.

Some are fans and some are not but most of them do not understand the industry.

For example a lot of them claims that LGBT inclusion have hurt the Big Two and these characters don't sell but will never tell their auidence that several LGBT focus Manga have also outsold comics.

The same thing can also be said for graphic novels with BIPOC characters.

Marvel and DC are not investing to diverse characters because they are woke but because there is money to be made from those demographics.

[Raye]

I mean, it depends on the youtuber, I'd think. They are not a monolith, for every one that's all doom and gloom another will be positive and have clear love and optimism for the medium. The videos i see tend to be positive just because of who i am subscribed to. I tend to prefer positive takes rather than negative ones, (that doesn't mean I like everything, i just don't like to focus on the negative.) and I really don't have time for the anti-SJW crowd. Who are, it should be noted projecting pretty hard, they WANT the companies to fail, as long as they are producing content they dislike, so they are looking for straws to grasp at that pushes that narrative.

Also, this manga is doing way better thing is not new, it is not the result of the American companies losing readers. Manga has been outselling western comics since at least when I got into comics and started paying attention to things, over 20 years ago. It's just a different culture and publishing model, and is not something that can really be repeated in North America, because it will take a culture shift more than changing the content or distribution model. Adapting some ideas from Manga may help in some cases, but, the publishers have tried doing that several times over the years, it hasn't had a lot of effect.

[Anthony W]

This. Some are fans and some are not but most of them do not understand the industry.

For example a lot of them claims that LGBT inclusion have hurt the Big Two and these characters don't sell but will never tell their auidence that several LGBT focus Manga have also outsold comics.

Could be because the audience already know that Manga has entire genres dedicated to just that and the only thing they are concerned about are the action comics such as Demon Slayer, My Hero, Jujutsu Kaisen etc, you know the action books they view as superhero comics direct competition? You also didn't try to dispute that the characters at the Big Two didn't sell well.

The same thing can also be said for graphic novels with BIPOC characters.

Marvel and DC are not investing to diverse characters because they are woke but because there is money to be made from those demographics.

You might have a case of "Right idea wrong genre" Unfortunately the Big Two only have one genre they care about. By trying awkwardly to combine them into the superhero line all the company does is annoy fans who have been following a character (Iceman, Hercules) forever who were actually privy to their thought balloons. Then when the change doesn't go over well lash out at the audience while burying the character.

It also doesn't help matters when the fans of these YouTubers look across the street and see Manga (The kind they equate with superhero comics) being much more...male gazey. No one asking for more diverse body types. A lack of giant crossovers of people going to a fancy dinner,etc.

[Powerboy]

After seeing so many videos about the big two, there seem a lot of buzz how "MANGA destroy western comics", "Manga outsellings the sales chart" or "DC and Marvel are dying while Manga are rising" make me wonder they are all use to be a comic book fans with one of these big two.

For example:

• They said they use to support the run or buy their trades all the time back then, until when Marvel start pandering some propoganda or political stuff, they stop buying some books.
• Based on the news they receive from the internet, many source said Manga have outsells the comics industry for years.
• It seem that the big two keep shoving SJW/Woke, it make them they start spearding these truths to other people so that they could stop buying any product from the industry.
• They clearly answer the question very similar "Why do DC and Marvel didn't listen 80% actual fans and instead go and listen the 5% twitter minority when they knew they won't buy the comics at all". Hearing this is complete ashame and embarassing given the current state.

While I can fully agree their opinion, but it clearly show how awful today western comics as compared to literature and manga when it come to story-wise, art-styles, character personality and fans demand. It's no surprise that many people are moving to manga and ditching Marvel and DC.

All I can say on this is that I've heard this stuff about Marvel or DC becoming "Woke" here and there on youtube. Then, I look at one of the comics in question and the only thing I can conclude is that what they mean by "Woke" and SJW is the inclusion of any new female or non-white character or the acknowledgement that sexism and racism even exist, at all- period.