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    Quote Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian View Post
    I'm hoping they just sweep his death under the rug and continue on like it never happened, it was a stupid decision,and poorly executed in a badly written book.
    Alfred's "death" is definitely going on too long for such an important and great character. I fully blame DC editorial for taking a small thing we know King would have undone quickly (he confirmed on a podcast it was initially intended to be a fake-out) before run's end and blowing it up into this long mostly pointless thing, the death is not even much contributing to any larger story.


    Whether it's Damian, Ra's, Alfred, Grayson, even Batman, etc...not a lot well-executed "deaths" in Batman comics a for good long while. Snyder's post-Endgame "healed" Bruce Wayne (meaning Batman is gone) is probably the best most recent one done, in that it was kinda clever/novel and was used effectively enough in the stories.
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    Yep. We have so many Robins, is it really a loss.

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    Yeah there are too many Robins. Kill off Tim. He's redundant and has been for over 10 years now and is very problematic.

    Tim just doesn't fit into the batman mythos anymore. He only creates questions.

    How is Tim still 16?
    How has Damian been Robin longer than Tim?
    What happened to the Tim who was part of the Batfamily at the start of rebirth?
    Are there two Tim Drakes?

    Too many Questions easier to kill him off or....

    Better yet erase him that way the whole problematic Batman needs Robin nonsense also gets erased from Canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dietrich View Post
    Yeah there are too many Robins. Kill off Tim. He's redundant and has been for over 10 years now and is very problematic . . .
    Tim was really a good character back in the pre-Flushpoint days.

    But, yeah, he lost much of what made him interesting and unique ever since the New 52 and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dietrich View Post
    Yeah there are too many Robins. Kill off Tim. He's redundant and has been for over 10 years now and is very problematic.

    Tim just doesn't fit into the batman mythos anymore. He only creates questions.

    How is Tim still 16?
    How has Damian been Robin longer than Tim?
    What happened to the Tim who was part of the Batfamily at the start of rebirth?
    Are there two Tim Drakes?

    Too many Questions easier to kill him off or....

    Better yet erase him that way the whole problematic Batman needs Robin nonsense also gets erased from Canon.
    This is where Tim being the bisexual Robin becomes his life raft

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Tim was really a good character back in the pre-Flushpoint days.

    But, yeah, he lost much of what made him interesting and unique ever since the New 52 and beyond.
    Tim was "good" because he was Robin. Once he lost that suddenly he became not good. Maybe he wasn't good in the first place and people just like the idea of Robin in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dietrich View Post
    Yeah there are too many Robins. Kill off Tim. He's redundant and has been for over 10 years now and is very problematic.

    While I don't personally care for Tim, I feel like killing him off would be a pointless move, and just plain rude to his fanbase. Regardless, he already had a fake-out death a few years back, and if he dies for real he'll get brought back like the other Robins anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Tim was really a good character back in the pre-Flushpoint days.

    But, yeah, he lost much of what made him interesting and unique ever since the New 52 and beyond.
    Yeah, getting back to pre-FP Tim is his only chance to getting back to being a good character. He was different, fun and quirky while also being a respectable tough smart tech-savvy Robin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HsssH View Post
    Tim was "good" because he was Robin. Once he lost that suddenly he became not good. Maybe he wasn't good in the first place and people just like the idea of Robin in general.
    I thought his run in Red Robin was also good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I thought his run in Red Robin was also good.
    Yeah, that book was good and Tim as a character could be good again, in fact as a supporting character he's fun in the current Nightwing book. There's no reason to kill him off at all, just don't tell stories that feature him if a writer doesn't have good stories to tell with him, doing that means that if someone does come up with a good idea for Tim latter on down the road they don't have to do some awkward, "he was dead but then he got better story" in order to tell the good story they had in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HsssH View Post
    Tim was "good" because he was Robin. Once he lost that suddenly he became not good. Maybe he wasn't good in the first place and people just like the idea of Robin in general.
    The problem wasn't that Tim not being Robin (it is not like Red Robin was that much different than Robin) it was that they completely wiped out all his pre crisis history, and that he was stuck in the pretty crappy new 52 Teen Titans for years.

    And I think they could still "save" Tim, by just giving him a solo book with a decent creative team.

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