I have to agree that it was a terrible idea. It only worked because of Dwayne McDuffie. The episode mostly works because we got to see adult Terry, old Amanda Waller, Andrea Beaumont easter egg, the Ace scene and the final moment between Bruce and Terry with Terry's flight set to the rock version of the B:TAS. The episode works because of everything but what the main plot is about; Terry as Bruce's son.
Carter was never a villain, just delusional for a reason even the other characters thought was justifiable under the circumstances-- Otherwise, they would have him committed or imprisoned. He never had ill-intent.
Also, Geoff Johns did pretty much the same thing in the comics and wrote the script/teleplay for that episode, but no one complains about his take.
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Unfortunately, there was likely no room in the Justice League to do a series of episodes focusing on Flash history. We get a single one off Flash episode that included Wally and they so happen decided not to make it about the very long history of The Flash. Same can be said for GL. It was all just team based stuff so why would Hal and Barry matter to whatever zany situation of the week popped up?
...Maybe for Hal, and even then I'm not buying it, but certainly not the case for Barry. Wally's history with Barry is a constant piece of the comics for Wally's entire run. Part of the run has a published work talking about how great Barry is (which I like a lot!).
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He wasn't a villain, but I don't think many kids watched this misguided lovesick guy and went "woah, I wanna see more Hawkman!" That tragic romance stuff can be an aspect of his story but he's got so much else going for him. The barbarian aesthetic and no-nonsense attitude, the archeological adventure, the historical warrior memories, etc.
That wasn't really meant to be a knock on John, sorry if it came across that way. I actually like DCAU John as he was my first exposure to the character and first GL I followed in a narrative. I ended up liking Hal way more once I started with the actual GL comics, but I still think DC botched a golden opportunity to do more with John than they have until recently.
It's just an observation that even DCAU John has had criticisms among the character's fanbase as a representation. It's by no means unanimous (far from it) and not nearly as prevalent as Wonder Woman and Superman complaints, but they are there.
Wonder Woman's kind of a BIG miss though. Even with Superman, it wasn't exactly a miss but we could have much better.
I think as a cartoon in itself, it's still a great action series that holds up. As a representation for a lot of these characters, it can be great for some, less so for others when we take off the nostalgia goggles.
Yeah, we have a whole generation of people who either don't know Hawkman exists and that Hawkgirl is the only one, or that he sucks and Hawkgirl/GL is the main ship. I'm not especially attached to any of the Hawks, but I imagine it stings for a lot of his fans. I don't think any fans of a character would desire the outcome Hawkman got in the DCAU. It honestly would have been better if he was left out entirely.
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