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    Default Why doesn’t Wonder Woman have a kid?

    Say what you will about the merits of Damian Wayne and Johnathan Kent, but the very fact that giving Wonder Woman a daughter (or son) hasn't been considered yet is proof that this whole trinity thing is lip service. I think giving Wonder Woman a child actually might prove to be the most interesting of the three. If it’s a girl, it would give us an opportunity to have a Wonder Girl that isn’t immediately sidelined and underused in the main Wonder Woman book (I like Cassie and Donna but you know it’s true). If it’s a boy, it gives us an opportunity to counter a bad narrative about DC Amazons( they are man haters) as well as offer us an opportunity to see a different side of Diana that we usually don’t see.

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    *ah-hem* (Lyta Trevor)



    But, I'm guessing you are referring more to the present (or Post-Crisis at least). Well, Diana didn't have a love interest after PC until the late 90's since they aged up Steve and then, well, her love interested Trevor died...

    And then Superman was her love interest, but DC had a strong "no baby!" rule and I don't think DC would ever let the two have a kid in the main timeline anyway. (Which I'm fine with, honestly).

    And now Steve is back before he was dumped again...

    So yeah, DC doesn't let Wonder Woman be in a relationship long enough to have a kid, and adoption seems lost on them as an option.
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    I prefer Diana doesn't have a main continuity kid. It'd just be seen as copying Batman and Superman for the sake of copying Batman and Superman.

    And given DC's track record with Diana herself, I wouldn't trust them if it was a boy to do another "man-hater Amazons" plotline or turn into another Jason situation where they take over the solo book. If it was a girl to just have her be arm candy/romantic prize for Damian or Jon.
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    Actually, does any female superhero in DC have a kid in the main continuity right now?

    Edit: Just remembered Mera and Aquaman have a kid now.
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    Not all women have to be mothers.

    There have been way too many times when writers have had females become pregnant through . . . "unusual" . . . circumstances (remember the Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel fiasco from a few decades back?) or when female characters have had unplanned pregnancies resulting in giving up the kid for adoption or the death of the kid at some point.

    Besides, considering how screwed up DC has made Superman's son Jon (sudden aging up? WHY?!?), do you really WANT Diana to have a kid under DC's mismanagement abilities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    Actually, does any female superhero in DC have a kid in the main continuity right now?
    Do you consider Lois Lane a superhero?

    Though Mera probably for a straight answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Not all women have to be mothers.

    There have been way too many times when writers have had females become pregnant through . . . "unusual" . . . circumstances (remember the Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel fiasco from a few decades back?) or when female characters have had unplanned pregnancies resulting in giving up the kid for adoption or the death of the kid at some point.

    Besides, considering how screwed up DC has made Superman's son Jon (sudden aging up? WHY?!?), do you really WANT Diana to have a kid under DC's mismanagement abilities?
    You are greatly overstating how many times female characters in superhero comics have gotten pregnant. Also, no one wants a repeat of Avengers #200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Not all women have to be mothers.

    There have been way too many times when writers have had females become pregnant through . . . "unusual" . . . circumstances (remember the Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel fiasco from a few decades back?) or when female characters have had unplanned pregnancies resulting in giving up the kid for adoption or the death of the kid at some point.

    Besides, considering how screwed up DC has made Superman's son Jon (sudden aging up? WHY?!?), do you really WANT Diana to have a kid under DC's mismanagement abilities?
    Ugh, I hate that troupe. It's not even just in comics, (certain Star Trek and Angel episodes come to mind...).

    And Diana didn't avoid that troupe either. Cut to Hunter Prince, the son of Diana and "The Darkness", a gross goop monster made of negative emotions that somehow had a kid with Diana. For Pete's-sake...this was written in 2017! Stop-it!
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    It's also because they never want her and Steve to be a functional couple. We have Steve being clingy. Not only that but they don't know what to do with her anyway. I would first like it if the Amazons are shown that they are allowed to have kids

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    No thanks, I don't want any kids hanging around.
    Damian Wayne is a character that I find unbearable. And the son of Superman is a boring character to me... well like his parents.

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    Because she is blessed. I'd hate for them to give her a kid and it end up doing to her comic what Superman's kid is doing to his. She only has the one after all. If it were done like they managed to do with Aquaman and Andy, it could be great. I just wouldn't have confidence they'd not pull a Jon Kent instead.

    I get how it could be framed as a negative, the fact that its something all the rage but she's left out. But all things considered she benefits from it this time around.
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    I wouldn't want her to have one considering what has been done with Batman and Superman's kids.

    Damian works sometimes under certain writers, but the most enjoyable thing about him is his dynamic with Dick, less so Bruce himself, and giving Bruce a canon kid is a bit of a mixed bag. And Jon just bores me and I'm not thrilled with the multiple Supermen angle in his comic.

    So Diana's dodging a bullet.

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    I think we can avoid singling out Diana, but make the discussion wider.
    Comic books have an element of escapist fiction. That is part of the appeal,
    which is also why in the Great Depression so many of the comic characters
    were wealthy. People didn't want to read about main characters who were
    on the economic margins, they already had that life.

    The truth is that you don't have many permanent relationships in comics, whether
    they are married or not. There are exceptions, feel free to be that guy, to give
    a laundry list here. But often what you have are individuals (I don't like the word
    character) male and female who are stuck in a holding pattern with their relationships.
    They date someone, deal with various issues then stay where they are, breakup,
    go off with someone else, get back together, that kind of thing. TV shows are
    like this too where someone can be dating for years, without any weddings, children
    being even rarer.

    There is also an element of Peter Pan to all of these individuals, especially the male
    ones. Especially the male ones. Where out of "safety" considerations they wanted
    to avoid getting married, but it was perfectly fine to have a new girlfriend.

    Then as some have previously mentioned, once you have children, then they have
    to fit into the plot. We have the aging up, because it is hard to write about infants,
    little children. Avoiding that whole question just becomes safer.

    Most people who read comics aren't necessarily interested in reading about a couple
    going through normal middle-class American life. I happen to think married life
    has a lot to recommend it to the stories we read. But I am a minority on that point.
    Where it does show up it is with teenage children, such as we see now on Superman.
    But I don't think we want to see our male and female people struggling with childcare,
    having fights, reconciling, debating what to do with family finances. Comics in that
    sense live in this fantasy land. That is how people like it. We are drawn more to the
    superhero fights, imagining what it is like to fly, to rope the lariat of truth around a bad
    person.

    Back to Diana. I think it is unfair to blame her for what is a common practice across
    the board with superheroes. There are exceptions, but we ought to admit what is standard
    practice.

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    There was that one "son" in that one JL story Bryan Hitch did. Where she "mated" with that Venom ripoff. He resented her and was largely raised by Superman. So that's probably not the best example. I think it would be interesting for her to have a son just because of the whole role reversal thing. But I also think it would be cool to give Superman a daughter even though she'd just be another Supergirl.
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    Your ideas would be interesting. Especially if they were not immediately aged up.

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