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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical41 View Post
    Then hire people that can create proper action scenes for a powerhouse. And maybe get rid of patty jenkins too. She already did everything she could with WW in the first 1. Her output in WW84 proved she has no vision for WW as a powerhouse. geoff johns should leave too. He can't write WW in comics or movies.
    WB gave Jenkins too much creative control to the point where she couldn't bring it all together. WW1984 showed us she wasn't ready to handle a big franchise herself. She spent over years not directing a feature film prior to the 2017 film. I hope WB reigns back creative control. It doesn't work for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical41 View Post
    This thread is not to discuss personality or Cheetah's place as a villain. It is to discuss the fact that DC and WB keep treating Cheetah like a garbage weaklink in most appearances. The thread is asking why this is th case. After decades Cheetah is still lacking the respect she should have as a powerhouse because many writers don't portray her as such. WW84 had the chance to introduce Cheetah and her powwers coming from a God like in the comics. But once again they portrayed her as garbage. So that is why this thread exist. To talk about why Cheetah is not treated as a proper powerhouse by many writers.
    And I gave my two cents on why I think they don't give her that respect, but whatever...

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    Birds of Prey had bad action direction? Did I watch the same movie as other people? The set pieces were pretty good overall. They didn't blow my mind but goddamn. The police precinct raid was fun!

    Using examples that aren't the first Wonder Woman, which action film has scenes they'd like to see similarly in Wonder Woman? It's easy to say "that's bad action" but I'd like to know what detractors think would be more deserving of Diana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    Did you like the action in the first movie?
    For the most part I liked the action for acts 1 and 2. Where they failed to deliver was a very weak act 3 against Ares with Diana pulling out bs powers that we have never seen before. Apparently she never uses them again, so I don't like the use of unexplained powers to back the hero out of a corner that the writers put them in. Lazy writing.

    But I accepted the action for what it was with the explanation that she was coming into her own powers throughout the movie. But that goodwill got pissed away in WW84 with her poor showing in general in the action set pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    Birds of Prey had bad action direction? Did I watch the same movie as other people? The set pieces were pretty good overall. They didn't blow my mind but goddamn. The police precinct raid was fun!

    Using examples that aren't the first Wonder Woman, which action film has scenes they'd like to see similarly in Wonder Woman? It's easy to say "that's bad action" but I'd like to know what detractors think would be more deserving of Diana.

    If any of you mention Metropolis in Man of Steel you automatically go to your rooms without supper.
    I thought Birds of Prey had alright action as well, nothing groundbreaking. That movie got a lot of hate so it might have just been people going all in on stuff they found mediocre.

    Honestly, I really haven’t found anything in live action that I think would be a good example. I mean, can anyone even find another live-action movie with a supernatural cat lady fighting a demi-god? We’re kind of going in blind here.

    And yeah, MoS ain’t it for me. The main focus of that fight was the destruction, not Superman or Zod. Which I know some people enjoyed because it felt like a “real life anime fight” which is fine, but the fight had no stakes until Superman and Zod crashed into the museum.

    I’m sure some people will point to Aquaman, which did have some very entertain fight scenes. I think the Black Manta fight is my favorite superhero fight to date. But downside is sometimes the camera in that movie flat out gave me motion sickness which is a big no-no. I have never gotten motion sick watching a movie before but that camera spinning did me in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    Where they failed to deliver was a very weak act 3 against Ares with Diana pulling out bs powers that we have never seen before.
    Such as?

    She fought Ares with super strength, speed, and her Lasso. She floated a few times, and we all know how pissy you are about Diana not flying.

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    She used her bracelet shock-wave attack, which was set up earlier in the movie and she's used multiple times in other movies.


    And then she killed Ares by absorbing the lightning he shot at her with her bracelets and firing it back at him.

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    And she's summoned lightning with her bracelets in other movies.
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    About the only thing she did that seemed out of line with her established powers was making the weapons Ares threw at her disintegrating just by looking at them.
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    And even that seemed to play into the apparent "god-mode" that she tapped into for the finale.


    It's funny how people complain how these movies never demonstrate Wonder Woman as a powerhouse, yet the fight where she actually has a big, smashy-smashy powerhouse brawl is the one no one likes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy_McNichts View Post
    Such as?

    She fought Ares with super strength, speed, and her Lasso. She floated a few times, and we all know how pissy you are about Diana not flying.

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    She used her bracelet shock-wave attack, which was set up earlier in the movie and she's used multiple times in other movies.


    And then she killed Ares by absorbing the lightning he shot at her with her bracelets and firing it back at him.

    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DemandingL...an-max-1mb.gif

    And she's summoned lightning with her bracelets in other movies.
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    About the only thing she did that seemed out of line with her established powers was making the weapons Ares threw at her disintegrating just by looking at them.
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/fe...93b7413678.gif
    And even that seemed to play into the apparent "god-mode" that she tapped into for the finale.


    It's funny how people complain how these movies never demonstrate Wonder Woman as a powerhouse, yet the fight where she actually has a big, smashy-smashy powerhouse brawl is the one no one likes.
    Ares is featless in the DCEU outside the WW battle where he didn't do anything ultra powerful. The power level for the first film was acceptable since it was an origin story where she was just discovering her powers. But outside of that. She did nothing impressive compared to what high tier characters have done in movies. Such as Superman, Hulk, Thor, Captain Marvel etc. Her speed feats were ok but nothing super amazing. Her best strength was lifting a 30 tons tanks. Her hits never created even minor shock waves. Her durability was ok. Nothing spectacular. So again. acceptable for an origin story where she is just starting to learn about her powers. But nothing more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    Cheetah is also cursed while Diana is blessed, a theme somewhat introduced by Perez but brought front and center in Rucka's runs.

    The only thing I could think of that would knock Cheetah off of her pedestal is Wonder Woman 3, if it will in fact have Circe as the main villain. I don't know what Patty's view is on Diana's arch-nemesis, but I do know Johns is 100% in Cheetah's corner in that regard. But, the fact WW84 went out of its way to make Barbara as much of an "evil Wonder Woman" as possible, makes me think Patty sees Cheetah as Diana's arch-nemesis as well.

    Plus the 3rd movie is kind-of late to introduce the arch. ]
    Also Cheetah's enmity with Diana is personal while Ares is a villain for all of humanity and the Amazons while Circe's primary beef is with Hippolyta with Diana being a tertiary receptacle for her revenge.

    I think the logical choice for WW3 is Circe. It would give Diana a reason to come back to Themyscira, bring back Hippolyta to the plot and is a sufficient world threatening villain for the sequel. Although what I'm imagining is a bit close to what Hela was in Ragnarok. Though with WB who knows what they will do. They might end decide Maxwell Lord needs to come back for the third movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    Yeah, I think Perez was definitely going for a "Greek hero battling a savage beast" imagery with Diana and Barbara in his run.

    Marston even compared Priscilla to a Medusa in her first appearance IIRC.
    Good to know the parallels were intentional.

    Do we know if Marston considered her Diana's archenemy or was it Paula Von Gunther in his mind?

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    Paula Von Gunther was reformed quite early on so it certainly wasn't her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Venus View Post
    Also Cheetah's enmity with Diana is personal while Ares is a villain for all of humanity and the Amazons while Circe's primary beef is with Hippolyta with Diana being a tertiary receptacle for her revenge.

    I think the logical choice for WW3 is Circe. It would give Diana a reason to come back to Themyscira, bring back Hippolyta to the plot and is a sufficient world threatening villain for the sequel. Although what I'm imagining is a bit close to what Hela was in Ragnarok. Though with WB who knows what they will do. They might end decide Maxwell Lord needs to come back for the third movie.
    Under jenkins and geoff i don't think WW3 will have any meaning in terms of showing a powerful archy villain. Either way that's besides the point. This thread is not about that. Cheetah is said to be powered up by a God. But they barely ever show it. The character has a very bad trackrecord getting beat up by humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical41 View Post
    Under jenkins and geoff i don't think WW3 will have any meaning in terms of showing a powerful archy villain. Either way that's besides the point. This thread is not about that. Cheetah is said to be powered up by a God. But they barely ever show it. The character has a very bad trackrecord getting beat up by humans.
    If you can't point to any story where Cheetah was as much of a powerhouse as you want her to be, than she just isn't a powerhouse. You are overhyping a charater and then complaining about others writing her the way she has always been written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    If you can't point to any story where Cheetah was as much of a powerhouse as you want her to be, than she just isn't a powerhouse. You are overhyping a charater and then complaining about others writing her the way she has always been written.
    I know you're usually being a smart a** when it comes to this kind of stuff, so I don't normally respond, but explain to me why a character that has been shown to physically go toe to toe with Diana isn't a powerhouse? Cheetah isn't used a ton despite being one of Diana's big 3 villains, yet she's depicted as someone that challenges Diana, a character who is a powerhouse or at least use to be. Cheetah doesn't really have "look at me lifting this heavy thing" feats, so we use scaling by comparing her to the main person she fights aka Diana. We know Cheetah is a struggle for Diana, not just in speed but strength based on their encounters. Unless you assume that Diana isn't powerful either, despite her feats. So explain to me how street levelers like Batman, Catwoman, Green Arrow, and even regular soldiers with bullets (given her JLD: apokolips war showing) are taking Cheetah out quite easily, if Diana struggles to do so. Deep down, I know its because you view this stuff as "nonsense" and I guess adhere to the wacky golden age rules specifically in this case but hey, what's the harm in asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy_McNichts View Post
    Such as?

    She fought Ares with super strength, speed, and her Lasso. She floated a few times, and we all know how pissy you are about Diana not flying.

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    She used her bracelet shock-wave attack, which was set up earlier in the movie and she's used multiple times in other movies.


    And then she killed Ares by absorbing the lightning he shot at her with her bracelets and firing it back at him.

    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DemandingL...an-max-1mb.gif

    And she's summoned lightning with her bracelets in other movies.
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/69...525d8ee506.gif

    About the only thing she did that seemed out of line with her established powers was making the weapons Ares threw at her disintegrating just by looking at them.
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/fe...93b7413678.gif
    And even that seemed to play into the apparent "god-mode" that she tapped into for the finale.


    It's funny how people complain how these movies never demonstrate Wonder Woman as a powerhouse, yet the fight where she actually has a big, smashy-smashy powerhouse brawl is the one no one likes.
    You know, you could easily argue that the fight fell flat and failed because the 3rd act specifically undermined the other 2. Like, I know a ton of people complained about the big grey CGI villain at the end and it is annoying. But, the build up and the mystery and the general confusion to Ares being who he was, aka the guy that weirdly wanted to end the war, with 0 hints until the "revel" was a major factor in the sour 3rd act too. There wasn't anything to Ares as a villain and he just ended up using cheap video game villain dialogue. They had something with him saying that he didn't force the humans to do anything, he just gave them an idea, they're the ones that went to war. His actor was poorly cast imo, his armor was just weak CGI covered in dark colors despite being just a more detailed spartan/knight armor, motivations as boring as can be with nothing to really grasp the audience. It was a poor showing of one of my favorite characters in the wonder mythos tbh.

    I could sit here and type out what a bunch of other posters have said here in that just adapting the Perez story with some changes to fit a movie run time would have been better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    If you can't point to any story where Cheetah was as much of a powerhouse as you want her to be, than she just isn't a powerhouse. You are overhyping a charater and then complaining about others writing her the way she has always been written.
    Cheetah like most villains, gets 90% of her feats from battling her hero aka Wonder Woman. Most of her battles are against Diana. Battles where she is said to be as fast and at times even faster than Diana. And strong enough to trade blows with her. So unless you think Diana should be having troubles in a physical battle against peak humans like catwoman, green arrow and batman. Then it doesn't make sense for Cheetah to be hurt and beat up by them. When she can take blows from Diana who can hit way harder than any human. Hard enough to even hurt kryptonians. So logic tells us that Cheetah even if not as strong as WW. Should still be way out of peak human characters league to handle. Which is why i say writers disrespect her when i see peak humans or barely super human characters getting the best of her. Being faster than WW and strong enough to at least mantain a physical battle with WW for a while. which is what Cheetah has been most consistent at, should already be enough evidence that characters far below Diana's stats should not represent a threat to Cheetah at all.

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