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I mean, they do have a formula, but it's like pretty generically applicable to any big budget action film that is family friendly. Most films (and honestly most things) abide by some formula. I never really understood why the MCU gets ragged on for it when that's pretty much normal.
I'm completely lost on what you're original point was now.
"I think they [Marvel Studios] will [make R-rated movies], I think they will, I’m almost sure they will. Not ‘Guardians’ though, because ‘Guardians’ are family movies, so it’s different. People are like, ‘Finally, they let you do R rating. What would “Guardians” be like if that was R rated?’ I’m like, ‘But it’s not.'...I could go off and make a Drax movie that’s R-rated, that I would love to do, like barbarian Drax. But the ‘Guardians’ movies are fables, and I don’t think of them like that. I don’t write them like that. It’s a different type of movie, and you can have some gore and some scary darkness in there and things like that, which is good, but it’s not the rock and roll of ‘Suicide Squad.'" - James Gunn, 2021
So, let's break this down. In various interviews, Gunn has stated that he likes to make different kinds of movies, including PG-13 and R-rated ones (like the Guardians movies and Suicide Squad). He's also stated that he thinks the important thing is to make a good movie in and of itself, rather than just follow the leader, like making R-rated stuff to jump on the bandwagon of a popular R-rated film. He's also gone on record that he had extensive creative freedom on the Guardians movies and, by all accounts, is looking forward to making the next one. None of that meshes with what you're saying, so, either Gunn is lying or you're mistaken on this point. The latter is the only logical answer.
Words fail me in regards to the illogic of this word salad.
I don't agree with that logic.
That didn't help, to be sure.
Funny how the more Feige flips the script and changes things up, the more you insist how samey they are (and how the earliest MCU stuff you've cited as the best is the stuff that had the least amount of variety and experimentation). In any event, since the movies have not been made, we factually do not know what they will be.
Why? His statement is at odds with his own work.
It's an easy argument to make if you want to "discredit" the MCU, since it sounds intelligent and is vague enough that it can mean almost anything you want.
Doctor Strange: "You are the right person to replace Logan."
X-23: "I know there are people who disapprove... Guys on the Internet mainly."
(All-New Wolverine #4)
Returning to the OP, I'm wondering if it will really be meaningful to compare franchises' pre- and post-covid incarnations? Studios' desire to move to streaming makes for a very different experience for audiences, and how the financials work seems (to my, admittedly, poorly educated eyes) different enough that what a studio judges a success may differ substantially.
So Marvel has so far released two movies this year. And in this crazy pandemic year they will have in the very near future the top two domestic box office movies of the year. So yea the Marvel age of movie is no where near done.
The OP was not about COVID or sales. It was about how much interest there is in the new films. I eventually watched Black Widow (which I thought was well done, but meh), have no immediate desire to see Shang-Chi, and no interest at all in seeing Eternsls. No Way Home has no interest to me, and Multiverse of Madness even less. A multiverse, to me, ultimately complicates things unnecessarily and is best left to the mess that is left of the DCU.
The point was simple. Gunn does not care deeply about Birds of Prey.
No one will be jumping on a bandwagon because Deadpool was not the first r rated film and it is getting annoying people think Deadpoool is. r rated movies has existed for a long time, additionally some good movies needed to r rating to elevate why they were good movies. Joker, Logan, Saving Private Ryan. Gunn is making GOTG 3 now but has he yet said, this was the most content he has had on a film? I don't think he has. I could be wrong but if I am please quote himSo, let's break this down. In various interviews, Gunn has stated that he likes to make different kinds of movies, including PG-13 and R-rated ones (like the Guardians movies and Suicide Squad). He's also stated that he thinks the important thing is to make a good movie in and of itself, rather than just follow the leader, like making R-rated stuff to jump on the bandwagon of a popular R-rated film. He's also gone on record that he had extensive creative freedom on the Guardians movies and, by all accounts, is looking forward to making the next one. None of that meshes with what you're saying, so, either Gunn is lying or you're mistaken on this point. The latter is the only logical answer.
It is not salad, it is a celebration of NASA influence of fictional space movies that can be taken seriously when we actually watch them. When I watch Interstellar, I see the strong Nasa influence, mostly during the black hole and time dilation scene and just overall atmosphere of the movie with how Nolan nails the cinematography and beautiful use of VFX, that feels much more realistic. You don't watch GOTG and get that same kind of feeling even if that movie was fun.Words fail me in regards to the illogic of this word salad.
I saw Shang CHI, while this is not a spoilers thread, what I will say is that the script is merger of Iron Man 1 and Black Panther. it was a very fun movie like GOTG, although the 3rd arc is not really a definition of flipping the script.Funny how the more Feige flips the script and changes things up, the more you insist how samey they are (and how the earliest MCU stuff you've cited as the best is the stuff that had the least amount of variety and experimentation). In any event, since the movies have not been made, we factually do not know what they will be.
No he does not because MCU does not have any movie like Logan, even The Wolverine was not like any MCU apart until maybe the 3rd arc, that if I remember correctly was not to Mangold's personally taste. Although The Wolverine third arc had stronger use of violence that was struggling to contain the pg 13 rating, which in return does not really make it like a mcu film.Why? His statement is at odds with his own work.
People talk about the first scene of X-MEN 1 with Magneto in nazi camps but the opening scene of the wolverine also during world war 2, wont be in an MCU movie either and you look back now, wondering why did they not go for r rating in The Wolverine. So I don't see how Mangold will be contradicting his own work since the content of his movie is prove of what he says.
What R rated movie has marvel announced in the coming future. apart from Deadpool 3 that does not really count because that all started from Fox and marvel by obligation feel they need to complete that trilogy. Did I miss any news that MCU Blade is no longer pg 13.
Last edited by Castle; 09-08-2021 at 02:27 PM.
This might be a dumb question but what needs to happen in a movie in order for it to be R-rated? A lot of swearing? Well thats not necessary in these movies. Nudity/ sex? Well thats not really important in these movies. So I guess the violence? And more so how the violence is portrayed? I guess if you were to do a Punisher movie or maybe Daredevil or werewolf by night or something. But I don't think any of those are on the docket.
Moonknight is a dark character. So it will be interesting how Disney + does it. If they can do that in a PG-13 mode effectively I don't see why they can't do anything effectively. Well except for Punisher and I don't think they will ever bring him in.
Oh sorry and I guess Blade. I am not sure how they can do that PG-13. But possibly? I don't know.
Rumors are the Marvel Disney+ Halloween special they announced is werewolf by night. Don't know if that's true but Jack Russel might be on the docket.
Also I think Vampire killing in Pg 13 is easy. The excuse for blood not squritng is they turn to dust. MCU loves cutting heads and limbs off. Just gotta be creative with the blood you do use and not make it overly graphic. Now if Blade is killing other creatures that aren't vampires it might be harder. Still doable for sure. Punisher imo is the only who needs to he R rated. Everything else can work if done well. Including Deadpool
Last edited by Midvillian1322; 09-09-2021 at 12:24 AM.
So because they haven't announced one means they'll never do one? What kind of logic is that? So I guess any character they've yet to announce a movie for is never going to get one now based on your logic. In fact, only the movies they've announced so far are the only ones that Marvel will ever get made. After this current run, the MCU is officially over. No more movies since they haven't been announced.
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I mean I am not going to doubt that Marvel can pull off a PG-13 blade movie. I am not a movie expert but I can't think of a vampire film that wasn't rated R that was any good. Ahh ok funny one just popped in my mind, not that it was good but the 2004 Van Helsing. Now if they took that route and just did it all better, I can see it getting done.