There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!
Weird on our different responses to the two Punisher movies, just goes to show different tastes and all that. But yeah, they're neither great or work from a comic book accuracy angle as I understand it. Thought the Netflix series was good though, but kind of unfair to compare films and series.
I get you on Deadpool 2 and Watchmen, but we're definitely far apart on BoP. While not great, I thought it was a really fun film and I always have a hoot watching it.
I don't know about The Room, but I grew suspicious it might have been sarcastic the moment the word auteur was used - literally nobody ever means it and always uses that word sarcastically, still I didn't want to assume.
Of the R rated Super movies, the only one I didn't like was the all too serious Joker. The rest were R because of the type of humor they had.
And Logan was R, but not sure why, it could have easily been PG 13. There was probably a couple of scenes that gave it that.
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There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!
There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!
I loved Joker, best comic book movie since The Dark Knight, but to each their own.
Agreed on Logan though, didn't seem so gory as to warrant it in my opinion.
I probably will one day, but no reason to get Amazon Prime right now, barely order enough from there so can't justify it.
And what other projects? There's literally no other in this genre that I know of.
And that they're not opposed to making R-rated movies in general, they just haven't had to to make their movies yet.
Agreed, although I think there can be exceptions. Spider-Man is very much not an R-rated character inherently, but I could see a faithful adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt possibly being rated R, but that's a specific case, not a generalization.
I've noticed that the R-rated comic book movies that tend to be best received are the ones that use the rating to help inform the story (like how Logan was about the toll of a violent life and used the R-rated violence to communicate that point), while ones that just slap some profanity and blood on a PG-13 movie to be edgy don't fare as well (e.g. BvS). (Kinda on the fence r.e. Birds of Prey, given that I think that one turned out pretty well, but I think that almost all the R-rated content was just superficial paint on a PG-13 flick.)
Excusing wanting to see specific characters and stories and tones brought to life, I've noticed a recurring idea in the "we need more R-rated comic book movies" is this conception that anything less is just kiddie stuff and not mature storytelling for adults. I think there is a place for the R-rated ones, but this idea that they're inherently mature is a pretty basic misunderstanding of how storytelling works and what "mature" actually means. Heck, as we've seen, there's literally a PG-rated Batman cartoon show and movie that more mature than anything in the R-rated Snyderverse.
But yeah, just make good movies; the rating is only to help audiences navigate the content, not be a benchmark of quality.
Doctor Strange: "You are the right person to replace Logan."
X-23: "I know there are people who disapprove... Guys on the Internet mainly."
(All-New Wolverine #4)
That will strictly depend on how it is used with the story. So gong back to saving private ryan, which has now become the gold standard, there is a very strong reason the first 15 minutes of that movie is often hailed as the greatest in all of cinema. the violence, blood and gore did play a part in it and I remember Tom Hanks say he spoke to many vets of world war 2, who praised the film and said, that is 100% exactly what happened to them. Here is one clip of a vet I can find.
I really doubt that if Spielberg has not pushed the war genre as he did with Saving Private Ryan, with the violence a step further from many other great war movies of their time, like The Guns of Narvone or the Bridge of the River Kwai, Saving Private Ryan would not have had the same impact.
In fact speaking of Saving Private Ryan, the movie single handily taught me what Sound Mixing is on film in a way I may never have gotten it on paper, because up till then I have never heard so many gun shots sound that extremely realistic in a film. I did not even need to check the Oscars to know that Saving Private Ryan must have won the awards in the sound mixing and sound editing categories and oh boy, did it win for that. That is film making of high class. where violence and gore becomes art that does elevate the movie from not just great but to masterpiece. Goodly any War movie now is just seem as dumbed down compared to Saving Private Ryan.
In a partial sense comic films have had a similar growth of how realism, story telling and violence is portrayed, But no need to rehash this topic as it is already been roughly discussed on this thread,
https://community.cbr.com/showthread...was-made/page2
I will also ask that you look at your own commentary. It's interesting you even once said, MCU films have more in common with Batman and Robin, even more than the DCU. Which is another way of saying MCU movies just brought a particular age of movies back where we are all force to pretend Comic films can not deal with heavier content.
However we still cannot pretend about that for long when we have look wider in the seas of comic films that did the equivalent of what saving private ryan, did its own genre and this is where the age of marvel is now just becoming limited, almost in the same sense many early world war films look limited compared to Saving Private Ryan.
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I think you are comparing apples to oranges. First off comic book films are not the same genre as war films. And Saving private Ryan wasn't the first war film to show massive amounts of violence. It was filmed in a different way. But it wasn't the first to show how bad war is. I honestly don't understand what you are ever trying to say. But there is no reason a spider-man movie should have blood and gore. This is all crazy talk. There are several deconstruction type comic book films out there whether its Kick Ass or The Boys or Invincible. Why someone wants the MCU to have films like these is really beyond me. You can watch the Watchman show on HBO for more serious deeper type content. Its there. But for some reason you want Disney to make films like this. I like The Boys. That doesnt mean I want Captain America to be like The Boys. Heck I liked Invincible. That doesnt mean I want every animated movie I watch to be like that. This is lunacy.
Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.
Saving Private Ryan isn't the gold standard of anything. Spielberg didn't push the genre at all, at least not in a positive way.
Realism has nothing to do with a film's quality, let alone if it qualifies as a masterpiece, so bringing up opinions of war veterans says nothing about its merit for the art. If you want realism watch documentaries.
Films like Come and See or Apocalypse Now aren't concerned with being a realistic portrayal of war but they are far better films than Spielberg's trivialized take on a war movie. Believing that Saving Private Ryan was the first movie that showed the horrors of war in an explicit way just shows one's lack of knowledge about the matter.
Oh, and did you know that Christopher Nolan made a war movie that has a PG-13 rating?
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