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    Default Rumblers League Round 6: Siriel vs Darth Drizzle

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    Team Darth Drizzle
    Apocalypse (9) w/ Power Stone(9) & Mind Stone (8), Absorbtion of Tesseract Energies (10)
    David Haller (10) w/ Space Stone (9), Mark of Cain and The First Blade (8)
    Scarlet Witch (10) w/ The Source of all Evil (9)
    Quicksilver (8) w/ Gamma Mutation: David Banner (7), Genie Bottle Containing Jinny (9)
    Sebastian Shaw (6) w/ Luthor's Suit (8) & Motherbox (8)
    Mirage (8) w/ Absorption of Gravitonium (7), Invisible Suit (2)


    Team Siriel
    Sylar(9) w/Ambrosia(9), Time Stone (9)
    Eli(5) w/Vest of Coriscan Brothers(7)
    Emma Frost(5) w/MITRE Headset(9)
    Barbas(6) w/Reality Stone(9)
    Paige Halliwell(4)'w/Book of Shadows,(6) Blood of Charmed Ones(7), Phoenix Charm(6), Velocity 9 (9)
    Captain Marvel (10) w/ Absorbtion of Godspeed Tachyons (9), Magnetos Helmet (5)
    Charlie(6) w/ Power Tripling Potion(9), Centipede Serum(5), Terrigenisis Upgrade: Daisy(5)
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    And with that the rest of the Domino's will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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    The Mutants of Ragnarok vs Team Substitute


    Match Start
    With the opposing team having the Time Stone the Mutants will have to adjust their opening moves. So at the start Apocalypse protects the team mentally and throws up a Power Stone enhanced sheild around his team, Mirage throws up a high powered Gravity Sheild over that, and Wanda throws up her Chaos powered sheild over that which also cloaks the team from sight just like her Hex sheild she put over an entire town, as Quicksilver protects them from any blitzes. Legion who can and has acted normal during outside Time manipulation (shown when he fought against Time Eaters in show) first move is to Teleport all of them to the Center of Ego near his core far underground and now they are undetectable, triple Sheilded, and deep underground making them impossible to find by the enemy team.

    Legion then stops time and they get to upgrading. Shaw uses the Motherbox to upgrade Apocalypse's centuries old body by rejuvenating and upgrading the cells in his body to their peak(like with Superman) and greatly upgrading his power enhancing Armor making him more powerful than ever before. Now the amped up Apocalypse gives everyone an enhanced Horseman Upgrade to their powers and then Legion/Scarlet Witch link with his mind and they get their Captain Marvel upgrades doing the moves listed before.

    Shaw continues to absorb Motherbox energy after upgrading Mirage's suit as Quicksilver uses his first wish and says "I wish to be able to perfectly absorb and use 2 powers at once". She grants his wish and Apocalypse/Legion empowered him with Power/Space Stone energy and Telepathically gives him all knowledge on how to use them both. His second wish helps out Scatlet Witch and he says "I wish for Wanda to be as fast as me" and Jinny does so with a gesture. Now the mutants are ready to fight and Legion drops the Timestop and still protected by sheilds, and unfindable underground the Mutants launch their attacks.

    Fight' N Time!

    Apocalypse:
    Since Apocalypse mentally dominated Xavier while he was using Cerebro, the same Cerebro that gave him Global Level Telepathy that allowed him to find and mentally connect to anyone on the planet is now paired with the Mind Stone which gave non Telepathic Loki high level Telepathic powers capable of instantly connecting minds across the Galaxy complete with Astral body so real it could feel and cause pain it's needless to say Emma does not come close to either regular Apocalypse or the Mind Stone by themselves. Here they are combined and wielded by a genius with master level control over psionics and she goes down to his might like the rest if her team.

    He attacks her both mentally and physically at the same time as he dusts the MITRE helmet and her body whe overwhelming her mentally defeating her in both the physical and astral world. Then while still hidden underground and shielded he does the same to everyone else until all are taken out.
    Taken Out: Emma Frost, everyone else

    Scarlet Witch:
    With the wish making her as fast as Quicksilvers Horesman enhanced energy form and her Marvelous Space Stone upgrade she flies through a portal positioned behind Captain Marvel and wanting to find out who indeed is the Strongest Avenger she attacks Carol. With Chaos magic combined with Cosmic energy formed into powerful blasts from her hands and quick teleportation combos coming at Carol from all sides Wanda takes it to her finishes her off by touching her and transforming her into a 1970s housewife with no recollection of the hero she was and telling her to go to sleep. She then soon towards Piper and does the same to her using her magic cancelling hexes to negate her powers making it even easier.
    Taken Out: Captain Marvel, Piper, rest of team

    Legion:
    As the attack coordinator he sets up the portals that lead to his team's targets while still being protected by sheilds. Still using his powers to offset any Time Manipulation he opens a portal above Eli as Quicksilver uses his third wish and says "I wish for all enemy items were in outer space" then Quicksilver beams through it and starts his attack, then he opens one behind Captain Marvel and Wanda flies through it and attacks Carol.

    The next one goes above Barbas and Mirage sends her power through it(though it covers at least a mile radius in the movie) bringing out all enemy fears into reality as she flies through it and attacks him. Then a portal is formed behind Charlie and Shaw now hyper amped rushes her at speed through it. Legion who negates any Time Manipulation if the Stone is still around portals in and beats down Sylar using his Marvel/Reality/Psionic powers to atomize and energy blast or just punch through him many times until he is taken out. He then looks for any enemies remaining and dusts them with his TK/Reality warping or energy blasts/beats down people with his Captain Marvel powers.
    Taken Out: Sylar, rest of team

    Quicksilver
    With his last wish getting rid of all enemy items he beams through the portal and attacks all enemies with his Power/Space stone enhanced powers. He uses his speed and pinpoint teleportation powers he flickers in and out all around the battlefield targeting the 2 speedsters and taking them out combining speed/teleportation/intangibility and using the Power Stone to attack them which destroys both matter and energy(as shown in Thanos vs Dr Strange) so vibrating fast won't save anyone trying to avoid their fate. Then everyone else who are literally statues to him are taken out quickly with punches or energy blasts quickly thereafter.
    Taken Out: Speedsters, Items, everyone else

    Sebastian Shaw:
    Now massively amped from absorbing energy continuously he goes through the portal and targets Charlie. As at base Luthor's Suit easily bounced Superman's Heat Vision from point blank range and now it's been constantly upgraded for over 7 weeks any heat Charlie can quickly produce would not stop Shaws moves(especially since Shaw absorbed fire from a grenade and RPG exploding on him) and using his above Superman's physical abilities she punches Charlie and releases all that energy into a massive explosion that obliterates everything around Charlie including herself. He then Zooms at anyone left and takes them out at speed with physical might nobody their can match or defend against until all are taken out.
    Taken Out: Charlie, rest of team

    Mirage:
    With her Motherbox upgraded Suit giving her at least Cyborg level abilities (he was made from random metal sitting around an office, while she has a high tech suit to start with) she brings about Barbas fears as she flies through the portal and attacks him. Since she overcame her greatest fear in her movie Barbas would not affect her before she crushes him with Gravity powers while she is undetectable and blasts him with weaponry that pushed back Superman/Steppenwolf and Gravity powersnthat lifts thousands of tons in the air and crushes anything. She keeps up the barrage while safely hidden and takes him out,then helps her fear creatures (which came out when she portaled in) take out any remaining enemies.
    Taken Out: Barbas, everyone else
    And with that the rest of the Domino's will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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    The Plan

    Darth has a very strong and well-rounded team, and I think in general locations that break line of sight like this play well to his team's strengths.

    That said, there's one aspect where his team lags behind mine a fair amount: Speed. So let's take advantage of that.

    The Superspeed Phase:

    Paige has now acquired Flash-like superspeed thanks to Velocity 9, and conveniently enough she already has experience gaining superspeed in the 93rd episode of Charmed. It's also showcased in episode 141 of Charmed that magic speeds up along with its user, including teleportation, by the lightspeed Guardian Angels. What, you thought Charmed didn't have superspeed characters? That's silly, Charmed had everything.

    So Paige's first move will be to teleport herself along with Captain Marvel near the enemy team (Charmed teleportation always seems able to do that somehow) and cast a time travel spell to send Legion and Apocalypse into the past. By the now solified rules regarding time travel in the league, this will effectively remove them from the fight in a way they can't oppose.
    Charmed has a history of spells (especially the Power of Three) enabling time travel, both for the user and various demons, and in particular the Book of Shadows has a spell that lets the user travel back to the 70s along with at least two other people. Sadly this will also cost me Paige, but taking out the lion's share of the enemy team's power is worth losing one person.

    While Paige casts Carol will obliterate Quicksilver as he's the only member of the opposite team that might be able to intercept it. This is an unwinnable fight poor Pietro given the sheer stat disparity between them, and trying to summon Jinny won't be able to meaningfully impact their battle due to Jinny's own lack of speed.
    (Note that while the Lex Suit could fight Superman, it could do so because it's kryptonite-fueled and therefore weakened him. Still, if you believe that Shaw would be moving at speeds relevant for this, Carol will focus on fighting them off rather than aggressively go against Quicksilver immediately. She should be plenty strong enough to keep them off of Paige, especially since they won't be aware of the two teleporting in at first.)

    Taken out: Legion, Apocalypse, Quicksilver.

    Outside Flash-Time:

    As the not-quite-as-fast people start being able to act, Emma will telepathically strike Legion and Apocalypse as hard as she can - Fox telepaths having shown that they can accurately locate targets at long range when sufficiently powerful or amped. This is really just in case to prevent them from firing off their own first moves, whatever they may be, before Paige is done casting. She can't overpower them both for sure, but she can certainly get them distracted for a second. Once this is done she'll turn her attentions to Wanda to shut her down.

    Sylar with his own speed will teleport in first, using the time stone to trap Sebastian Shaw in a timeloop to prevent any shenanigans from him.

    As Barbas teleports in with Charlie, the latter will use her ability to locate people via vibrations (through Quake's powers) and punt Mirage into space with a powerful burst of power - this is what killed Graviton in canon, so his powers can't counter it.

    Finally Barbas will wave his hand and turn Wanda (who would be losing against Emma's telepathy) to stone.

    Eli's job is just to make clones and screen for any attempt to disrupt my team's actions before they teleport out - I'm sorry Eli, I promise I'll get you some powers that let you go on the offensive when we start so far away someday.

    Taken out: Wanda, Shaw, Mirage.

    Contingencies:

    There should be no way for Legion to set off a timestop if my strategy goes as planned, but the Time Stone should be able to prevent if necessary - Sylar should be faster than Legion between his own bullet-timing amplified by godhood, so this shouldn't be an issue.

    Likewise the Reality Stone amplifying Barbas' already considerable powers should be able to undo any reality warping shenanigans.

    If Wanda is still active at the time my team starts teleporting in, it'll fall to Carol to punch her head off and cement her status as the strongest in the MCU. If Carol is busy for whatever reason, Sylar will keep her busy after looping Shaw, using his greater speed and precision in telekinesis to offset her power advantage. He might lack the raw power to simply beat her, but he should be more than capable of preventing her from focusing.

    Shaw is a tough customer to take out if Time Stone shenanigans fail me, but if it comes down to it Barbas would be capable of teleporting with him to another plane of existence while Carol holds him in place, BFR'ing himself to secure my team's win.

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    I don't know how you guys allways manage to slot it in when I'm not looking.

    Siriel's Strat.


    The Plan

    Darth has a very strong and well-rounded team, and I think in general locations that break line of sight like this play well to his team's strengths.

    That said, there's one aspect where his team lags behind mine a fair amount: Speed. So let's take advantage of that.

    The Superspeed Phase:

    Paige has now acquired Flash-like superspeed thanks to Velocity 9, and conveniently enough she already has experience gaining superspeed in the 93rd episode of Charmed. It's also showcased in episode 141 of Charmed that magic speeds up along with its user, including teleportation, by the lightspeed Guardian Angels. What, you thought Charmed didn't have superspeed characters? That's silly, Charmed had everything.

    So Paige's first move will be to teleport herself along with Captain Marvel near the enemy team (Charmed teleportation always seems able to do that somehow) and cast a time travel spell to send Legion and Apocalypse into the past. By the now solified rules regarding time travel in the league, this will effectively remove them from the fight in a way they can't oppose.
    Charmed has a history of spells (especially the Power of Three) enabling time travel, both for the user and various demons, and in particular the Book of Shadows has a spell that lets the user travel back to the 70s along with at least two other people. Sadly this will also cost me Paige, but taking out the lion's share of the enemy team's power is worth losing one person.

    While Paige casts Carol will obliterate Quicksilver as he's the only member of the opposite team that might be able to intercept it. This is an unwinnable fight poor Pietro given the sheer stat disparity between them, and trying to summon Jinny won't be able to meaningfully impact their battle due to Jinny's own lack of speed.
    (Note that while the Lex Suit could fight Superman, it could do so because it's kryptonite-fueled and therefore weakened him. Still, if you believe that Shaw would be moving at speeds relevant for this, Carol will focus on fighting them off rather than aggressively go against Quicksilver immediately. She should be plenty strong enough to keep them off of Paige, especially since they won't be aware of the two teleporting in at first.)

    Taken out: Legion, Apocalypse, Quicksilver.

    Outside Flash-Time:

    As the not-quite-as-fast people start being able to act, Emma will telepathically strike Legion and Apocalypse as hard as she can - Fox telepaths having shown that they can accurately locate targets at long range when sufficiently powerful or amped. This is really just in case to prevent them from firing off their own first moves, whatever they may be, before Paige is done casting. She can't overpower them both for sure, but she can certainly get them distracted for a second. Once this is done she'll turn her attentions to Wanda to shut her down.

    Sylar with his own speed will teleport in first, using the time stone to trap Sebastian Shaw in a timeloop to prevent any shenanigans from him.

    As Barbas teleports in with Charlie, the latter will use her ability to locate people via vibrations (through Quake's powers) and punt Mirage into space with a powerful burst of power - this is what killed Graviton in canon, so his powers can't counter it.

    Finally Barbas will wave his hand and turn Wanda (who would be losing against Emma's telepathy) to stone.

    Eli's job is just to make clones and screen for any attempt to disrupt my team's actions before they teleport out - I'm sorry Eli, I promise I'll get you some powers that let you go on the offensive when we start so far away someday.

    Taken out: Wanda, Shaw, Mirage.

    Contingencies:

    There should be no way for Legion to set off a timestop if my strategy goes as planned, but the Time Stone should be able to prevent if necessary - Sylar should be faster than Legion between his own bullet-timing amplified by godhood, so this shouldn't be an issue.

    Likewise the Reality Stone amplifying Barbas' already considerable powers should be able to undo any reality warping shenanigans.

    If Wanda is still active at the time my team starts teleporting in, it'll fall to Carol to punch her head off and cement her status as the strongest in the MCU. If Carol is busy for whatever reason, Sylar will keep her busy after looping Shaw, using his greater speed and precision in telekinesis to offset her power advantage. He might lack the raw power to simply beat her, but he should be more than capable of preventing her from focusing.

    Shaw is a tough customer to take out if Time Stone shenanigans fail me, but if it comes down to it Barbas would be capable of teleporting with him to another plane of existence while Carol holds him in place, BFR'ing himself to secure my team's win.
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    DD's strat:


    The Mutants of Ragnarok vs Team Substitute


    Match Start
    With the opposing team having the Time Stone the Mutants will have to adjust their opening moves. So at the start Apocalypse protects the team mentally and throws up a Power Stone enhanced sheild around his team, Mirage throws up a high powered Gravity Sheild over that, and Wanda throws up her Chaos powered sheild over that which also cloaks the team from sight just like her Hex sheild she put over an entire town, as Quicksilver protects them from any blitzes. Legion who can and has acted normal during outside Time manipulation (shown when he fought against Time Eaters in show) first move is to Teleport all of them to the Center of Ego near his core far underground and now they are undetectable, triple Sheilded, and deep underground making them impossible to find by the enemy team.

    Legion then stops time and they get to upgrading. Shaw uses the Motherbox to upgrade Apocalypse's centuries old body by rejuvenating and upgrading the cells in his body to their peak(like with Superman) and greatly upgrading his power enhancing Armor making him more powerful than ever before. Now the amped up Apocalypse gives everyone an enhanced Horseman Upgrade to their powers and then Legion/Scarlet Witch link with his mind and they get their Captain Marvel upgrades doing the moves listed before.

    Shaw continues to absorb Motherbox energy after upgrading Mirage's suit as Quicksilver uses his first wish and says "I wish to be able to perfectly absorb and use 2 powers at once". She grants his wish and Apocalypse/Legion empowered him with Power/Space Stone energy and Telepathically gives him all knowledge on how to use them both. His second wish helps out Scatlet Witch and he says "I wish for Wanda to be as fast as me" and Jinny does so with a gesture. Now the mutants are ready to fight and Legion drops the Timestop and still protected by sheilds, and unfindable underground the Mutants launch their attacks.

    Fight' N Time!

    Apocalypse:
    Since Apocalypse mentally dominated Xavier while he was using Cerebro, the same Cerebro that gave him Global Level Telepathy that allowed him to find and mentally connect to anyone on the planet is now paired with the Mind Stone which gave non Telepathic Loki high level Telepathic powers capable of instantly connecting minds across the Galaxy complete with Astral body so real it could feel and cause pain it's needless to say Emma does not come close to either regular Apocalypse or the Mind Stone by themselves. Here they are combined and wielded by a genius with master level control over psionics and she goes down to his might like the rest if her team.

    He attacks her both mentally and physically at the same time as he dusts the MITRE helmet and her body whe overwhelming her mentally defeating her in both the physical and astral world. Then while still hidden underground and shielded he does the same to everyone else until all are taken out.
    Taken Out: Emma Frost, everyone else

    Scarlet Witch:
    With the wish making her as fast as Quicksilvers Horesman enhanced energy form and her Marvelous Space Stone upgrade she flies through a portal positioned behind Captain Marvel and wanting to find out who indeed is the Strongest Avenger she attacks Carol. With Chaos magic combined with Cosmic energy formed into powerful blasts from her hands and quick teleportation combos coming at Carol from all sides Wanda takes it to her finishes her off by touching her and transforming her into a 1970s housewife with no recollection of the hero she was and telling her to go to sleep. She then soon towards Piper and does the same to her using her magic cancelling hexes to negate her powers making it even easier.
    Taken Out: Captain Marvel, Piper, rest of team

    Legion:
    As the attack coordinator he sets up the portals that lead to his team's targets while still being protected by sheilds. Still using his powers to offset any Time Manipulation he opens a portal above Eli as Quicksilver uses his third wish and says "I wish for all enemy items were in outer space" then Quicksilver beams through it and starts his attack, then he opens one behind Captain Marvel and Wanda flies through it and attacks Carol.

    The next one goes above Barbas and Mirage sends her power through it(though it covers at least a mile radius in the movie) bringing out all enemy fears into reality as she flies through it and attacks him. Then a portal is formed behind Charlie and Shaw now hyper amped rushes her at speed through it. Legion who negates any Time Manipulation if the Stone is still around portals in and beats down Sylar using his Marvel/Reality/Psionic powers to atomize and energy blast or just punch through him many times until he is taken out. He then looks for any enemies remaining and dusts them with his TK/Reality warping or energy blasts/beats down people with his Captain Marvel powers.
    Taken Out: Sylar, rest of team

    Quicksilver
    With his last wish getting rid of all enemy items he beams through the portal and attacks all enemies with his Power/Space stone enhanced powers. He uses his speed and pinpoint teleportation powers he flickers in and out all around the battlefield targeting the 2 speedsters and taking them out combining speed/teleportation/intangibility and using the Power Stone to attack them which destroys both matter and energy(as shown in Thanos vs Dr Strange) so vibrating fast won't save anyone trying to avoid their fate. Then everyone else who are literally statues to him are taken out quickly with punches or energy blasts quickly thereafter.
    Taken Out: Speedsters, Items, everyone else

    Sebastian Shaw:
    Now massively amped from absorbing energy continuously he goes through the portal and targets Charlie. As at base Luthor's Suit easily bounced Superman's Heat Vision from point blank range and now it's been constantly upgraded for over 7 weeks any heat Charlie can quickly produce would not stop Shaws moves(especially since Shaw absorbed fire from a grenade and RPG exploding on him) and using his above Superman's physical abilities she punches Charlie and releases all that energy into a massive explosion that obliterates everything around Charlie including herself. He then Zooms at anyone left and takes them out at speed with physical might nobody their can match or defend against until all are taken out.
    Taken Out: Charlie, rest of team

    Mirage:
    With her Motherbox upgraded Suit giving her at least Cyborg level abilities (he was made from random metal sitting around an office, while she has a high tech suit to start with) she brings about Barbas fears as she flies through the portal and attacks him. Since she overcame her greatest fear in her movie Barbas would not affect her before she crushes him with Gravity powers while she is undetectable and blasts him with weaponry that pushed back Superman/Steppenwolf and Gravity powersnthat lifts thousands of tons in the air and crushes anything. She keeps up the barrage while safely hidden and takes him out,then helps her fear creatures (which came out when she portaled in) take out any remaining enemies.
    Taken Out: Barbas, everyone else
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    A note regarding the mind stone: I don't think the stone on it'd oen confers any sort of telepathic ability, since Vision never uses Telepathy on any occasion when it would be helpful.

    Thus, I think it can be surmised that Loki's telepathic contact with Thanos' aid in the Avengers is a function aided by the staff, not just the mindstone

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    Not getting into the match yet, just posting some support evidence to my strat.

    Wanda Vids
    Wanda's Hex Sheild: At 1:30 and 1:40 you can see that the sheild is invisible, as well as the first two episodes show this clearly but I can't find clips of those. Also in the beginning when she goes back into sheild and it shows the size everyone is amazed because they never saw it before and didn't know it's size.

    Wanda Transforms Agatha: At 6:44 she Transforms Agatha completely, which is what she does to Carol in match.

    Apocalypse/Mind Stones vids
    Loki connects minds across Galaxy: Loki showing Top Tier Telepathy feats by instantly contacting a mind across the universe with a Astral body that can cause and feel pain.

    Apocalypse over powers Xavier using Cerebro: Xavier while using Cerebro has shown to have Global Level Telepathy as he finds minds across the world. Apocalypse easily over powers him while Xavier is powered up by it.

    Sebastian Shaw
    Shaw absorbing fire/explosions: He easily absorbs fire and explosions and was absorbing a nuclear reactor with ease.
    Luthors Suit beating Superman: This is the Suit at base matching speed/strength/durability with Superman. Being constantly upgraded over 6 weeks by the Motherbox puts him way above this before he even absorbs any energy to amp himself further.

    Mirage
    Graviton Feats At 7:50 his sheilds stop a speedster, and 9:35 he pilots a thousand plus ton broken non flyable ship through space and into Earth and lands on some buildings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    A note regarding the mind stone: I don't think the stone on it'd oen confers any sort of telepathic ability, since Vision never uses Telepathy on any occasion when it would be helpful.

    Thus, I think it can be surmised that Loki's telepathic contact with Thanos' aid in the Avengers is a function aided by the staff, not just the mindstone
    I'm sorry but that makes no sense at all. The Staff is just a piece of metal with no bearing on the Stones ability. Please provide any actual evidence that even claims this as this is the first time I have seen anyone claim this information. Whenever Loki uses the Staffs power it glows from the Stone just like every other Stone used in all movies, everything shown by the Staff was the Mind Stones power. I don't even see how that is questionable.

    Vision uses the Mind Stones powers(which are clearly defined in any/all wiki or information sites) of Molecular Telekinesis/Matter Manipulation for intangibility and flight and his head laser is just mind Stone energy focused into a beam.

    The Loki feat I provided is more than enough to show the Telepathic power of the Stone. It is literally showing Galactic level reach and power(shown by the powerful Astral Body that can cause and feel pain which is the highest level of Astral powers besides Time Travel).

    That evidence of the Staff being powerful without the Stone must be compelling to overwrite all the shown feats the Mind Stone has.
    Last edited by Darth Drizzle; 07-26-2021 at 03:02 PM.
    And with that the rest of the Domino's will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

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    Replying to just the strategy for now. If anyone wants any evidence for my strategy let me know and I'll provide it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Drizzle View Post
    Match Start
    With the opposing team having the Time Stone the Mutants will have to adjust their opening moves. So at the start Apocalypse protects the team mentally and throws up a Power Stone enhanced sheild around his team, Mirage throws up a high powered Gravity Sheild over that, and Wanda throws up her Chaos powered sheild over that which also cloaks the team from sight just like her Hex sheild she put over an entire town, as Quicksilver protects them from any blitzes. Legion who can and has acted normal during outside Time manipulation (shown when he fought against Time Eaters in show) first move is to Teleport all of them to the Center of Ego near his core far underground and now they are undetectable, triple Sheilded, and deep underground making them impossible to find by the enemy team.
    I don't see Quicksilver being able to do much against Paige's move given that Captain Marvel is on him, snd with my first move involving a teleport from the point of view of someone moving in Flash time, they'd be in long before the first shielding attempt. So Legion and Apocalypse are taken out here along with Paige, and Quicksilver is punched out by Captain Marvel.

    That very important point aside, I'm not sure about the shield layering as described. It's admittedly a minor nitpick but shouldn't the further shields be layered under the first ones rather than over? After all, to be over them they would need to punch through the previous ones - not a problem with the gravity one since it wouldn't interact, but I feel that a power stone-fueled shield would interfere with Wanda's magic passing through it.

    And honestly I'd go through the rest of the strategy step by step, but it all collapses here; the entire strategy is dependent on Legion and Apocalypse doing the amping business as I predicted. With my team having the ability to both act first and stop them, it all collapses before it can even get started.

    Shaw starts off absorbing Motherbox energy so he gets looped as he's starting to do that, Wanda is unbuffed and overwhelmed by my team as she set up a shield when everyone is teleporting in, Mirage is punted into space, and it's about as close to a flawless victory as I think I could get. I predicted what kind of opening move would be attempted and countered the cornerstone of the strategy.

    (Also as an aside, teleporting shouldn't help a time stop happen. It's not like countering one is line of sight dependent.)

    Also;

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    now it's been constantly upgraded for over 7 weeks
    I completely disagree with this interpretation. We don't get to keep the effects of past weeks. Otherwise temporary power-ups would fade, things that increase over time become insane, and etc.
    Last edited by Siriel; 07-27-2021 at 09:21 AM.

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