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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    are there still two cables?

    I like teen cable and don't want to see him go.
    LOL...did you not read my recap? There is one Cable around. Kid Cable went back to the future. We are left with the original in present day

    Quote Originally Posted by Handsome men don't lose fights View Post
    So f***ing sick of Stryfe getting no love from his so-called family. Jean actually helped murder him? That's pretty vile. Vulcan can conquer half the galaxy and nearly get it fed to the cancerverse, but Stryfe is irredeemable and must be destroyed on sight because it's easier to kill your kid than it is to admit you played favorites.
    Stryfe isnt her kid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handsome men don't lose fights View Post
    So f***ing sick of Stryfe getting no love from his so-called family. Jean actually helped murder him? That's pretty vile. Vulcan can conquer half the galaxy and nearly get it fed to the cancerverse, but Stryfe is irredeemable and must be destroyed on sight because it's easier to kill your kid than it is to admit you played favorites.
    You mean a man who had no care for his family to begin with and has operated on pettiness? Jean has already tried in the past and the man cares nothing for her. There is literally no motivation for her to have any care for an evil clone who only seeks to hurt her real son and everyone he loves because of him being a rejected copy of the real thing.

    If you like him, fine, but you can't act like he hasn't been the one who instigated since the VERY beginning murder of the mutant race through the Legacy Virus, rejecting her attempts to help him (such as when he took over Cable's mind and she reached out with Xavier's help in the 90's), and his entire goal is to kill her son (someone who has not only fought for good but established a meaningful relationship). We can actually have a conversation about Jean's treatment after he shows her he regrets his actions and is done and will work toward a new Stryfe who has proven in front of her that he is a changed man and is ready to be accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    I thought the implication was that one of the babies was stryfe and though the cables didn't give him his second chance he ened up getting it anyway.
    yeah that was definitely a baby Cable clone at the end




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    Quote Originally Posted by PyroFN View Post
    You mean a man who had no care for his family to begin with and has operated on pettiness? Jean has already tried in the past and the man cares nothing for her. There is literally no motivation for her to have any care for an evil clone who only seeks to hurt her real son and everyone he loves because of him being a rejected copy of the real thing.

    If you like him, fine, but you can't act like he hasn't been the one who instigated since the VERY beginning murder of the mutant race through the Legacy Virus, rejecting her attempts to help him (such as when he took over Cable's mind and she reached out with Xavier's help in the 90's), and his entire goal is to kill her son (someone who has not only fought for good but established a meaningful relationship). We can actually have a conversation about Jean's treatment after her actions are done toward a Stryfe who has proven in front of her that he is a changed man and is ready to be accepted.
    You had me until that last line. Because this relaunch was largely predicated on giving every other villain a pass with no evidence whatsoever that any of them were changed people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkingdom View Post
    You had me until that last line. Because this relaunch was largely predicated on giving every other villain a pass with no evidence whatsoever that any of them were changed people.
    They dont need to be changed people, but they do need to not be actively engaging in villainy, especially against Krakoa. Stryfe in this very issue says he wanted to burn Krakoa down and was going to use his demon army to do so. He actually sounded like Maddie here. He's a liability and doesnt even belong in this timeline. All they did was get rid of him in present day but as we see in the end, he still exists in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by PyroFN View Post
    You mean a man who had no care for his family to begin with and has operated on pettiness? Jean has already tried in the past and the man cares nothing for her. There is literally no motivation for her to have any care for an evil clone who only seeks to hurt her real son and everyone he loves because of him being a rejected copy of the real thing.

    If you like him, fine, but you can't act like he hasn't been the one who instigated since the VERY beginning murder of the mutant race through the Legacy Virus, rejecting her attempts to help him (such as when he took over Cable's mind and she reached out with Xavier's help in the 90's), and his entire goal is to kill her son (someone who has not only fought for good but established a meaningful relationship). We can actually have a conversation about Jean's treatment after he shows her he regrets his actions and is done and will work toward a new Stryfe who has proven in front of her that he is a changed man and is ready to be accepted.
    All of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Later we see Paulie and that Morlock with their baby. They also have an addition and its a kid with a glowing eye
    Stinger isn't a Morlock, just a drug addict and old teammate of Frenzy's from the Alliance of Evil.

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    So JEAN hs to use Esme even if Rchel was around?

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    Honestly its not so much that Stryfe deserves sympathy or a second chance. He's awful, screw him. Its just, for me, treating him like unforgivable evil when Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister are standing right there feels laughable.

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    Anyone else notice that Hope mimicked Rachel's TP here?



    Quote Originally Posted by pkingdom View Post
    Honestly its not so much that Stryfe deserves sympathy or a second chance. He's awful, screw him. Its just, for me, treating him like unforgivable evil when Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister are standing right there feels laughable.
    Apocalypse and Sinister were not actively trying to kill them and plotting to burn Krakoa to the ground. They were former evils or at the very least neutral allies. Stryfe is a current evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkingdom View Post
    Honestly its not so much that Stryfe deserves sympathy or a second chance. He's awful, screw him. Its just, for me, treating him like unforgivable evil when Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister are standing right there feels laughable.
    I mean the difference is that Apocalypse actually changed quite a bit when he joined Krakoa. Still definitely morally questionable but he wasnít gathering armies to take over the world. We know Sinister isnít a changed man, but heís smart enough to have deniability in all of his plots. They caught Stryfe red-handed on the war path about to murder 10 babies, what else were they supposed to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Lol it was just so random like everybody had a gun. Oprah must have gave them out before the mission.

    I think the scene was to show Krakoa will be around for awhile. Kid Cable specifically asks if it's worth it and Cable is like you want to know if Krakoa will be around forever, well fight for it. So we know at the very least Krakoa was around long enough for Esme to become an adult and reunite with cable. I thought it was cute how she still has a soft spot for kid cable and told adult cable to go easy on him.
    I loved that twist. Thought it was really well done, and that Duggan did a nice job wrapping this series up and all of its various threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkingdom View Post
    You had me until that last line. Because this relaunch was largely predicated on giving every other villain a pass with no evidence whatsoever that any of them were changed people.
    No, it isn’t giving them a pass. It’s them proving themselves by following the only three laws of the land. The X-Men are watching those same villains and going after any threats to innocents like Mikhail, Sabertooth, etc. It’s a law to escape persecution by humanity, not an escape from crimes you are currently committing.

    Stryfe was creating a ritual that would not only have destroyed Krakoa, but broken the law of “Kill No Man” through sacrifice of babies. And it brings no alarm to you that Stryfe would try to take advantage of his amnesty of Krakoa denying no mutant to escape those crimes he was committing in the same issue? It’s nowhere near the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerridwen View Post
    So JEAN hs to use Esme even if Rchel was around?
    Not really. In fact, Rachel herself completely stomped Stryfe in the past.

    It was most likely either a teaching moment to Esme or just a bonding moment with his son’s girlfriend as a show of support to their relationship. Either way, Rachel was busy having fun with a bazooka and telekinetically carrying babies. Why would Jean ruin that fun of a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsan52 View Post
    Wasnít he just trying to kill babies?
    They were flatscans!
    No longer 'Biden' our time, hur hur hur.

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