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[jmc247]

Gambit not being an X-Man is a technicality, he might not be on the current official team, but he's known as an X-Man. Besides, he and his poker buddies are in their treehouse. Black Cat is in a gray area, but isn't Rhino a confirmed killer? Like I said, it's not a big deal, but couldn't this joke have been told with different characters? I'm not gonna drop the book over this obviously.

I think you're right, but I also think the X-Men should be more concerned about these things beyond how it might make them look bad. I'm sure most people don't share that opinion.

Look, taking a step back, Marvel made the public at large look at Cyclops as a terrorist, so I guess this stuff doesn't matter anymore anyway.

Scott should on paper be no longer more controversial then Rogue. There is more then one former terrorist on the cast. Actually there are several known killers and terrorists.

[Devaishwarya]

The P5 and the AvX ****-show and the fall-out are considered part of the "lost years"...nobody is interested in dredging up that garbage era. And rightly so.

[Lucyinthesky]

I honestly forgot what Scott did at the end of AvX I guess I just put it under the "things characters do when possesed by dark phoenix" still he was send to jail for it and was almost killed there and was indeed during the era marvel wanted to ran a bus over the X-men franchise so it makes sense writers are not addressing that time now.

[Kingdom X]

Gambit not being an X-Man is a technicality, he might not be on the current official team, but he's known as an X-Man. Besides, he and his poker buddies are in their treehouse. Black Cat is in a gray area, but isn't Rhino a confirmed killer? Like I said, it's not a big deal, but couldn't this joke have been told with different characters? I'm not gonna drop the book over this obviously.

That's literally the point of the scene... Rogue kicking them out. I don't understand why everything has to be a controversy in these threads. Like did anyone's enjoyment really change because Rhino was in a single panel?

[Sylarmax]

Scott should on paper be no longer more controversial then Rogue. There is more then one former terrorist on the cast. Actually there are several known killers and terrorists.

Rogue did not murder Xavier, who was like his father and mentor, in front of everyone in cold blood, nor did he literally imprison all the heroes who opposed him in hell, in addition to torturing them, nor did he put the life of the planet at risk because of his ambition. .


Rogue was just a confused girl who wanted to please mother in her family business, and she has redeemed herself for quite some time, there is no point of comparison.

[Mercury]

That's literally the point of the scene... Rogue kicking them out. I don't understand why everything has to be a controversy in these threads. Like did anyone's enjoyment really change because Rhino was in a single panel?

I think people are just pointing out what could pose a problem for the X-Men in the future rather than voicing what they have a problem with personally. Frankly, I find users calling fans "pathetic" and making a big deal because they are batting around ideas about what these types of activities and decisions could mean for the new team more alarming.

[jmc247]

Rogue did not murder Xavier, who was like his father and mentor, in front of everyone in cold blood, nor did he literally imprison all the heroes who opposed him in hell, in addition to torturing them, nor did he put the life of the planet at risk because of his ambition. .

Rogue was just a confused girl who wanted to please mother in her family business, and she has redeemed herself for quite some time, there is no point of comparison.

Scott when possessed by the Phoenix is no more responsible then Jean is for mass genocide.

[Mercury]

Scott when possessed by the Phoenix is no more responsible then Jean is for mass genocide.

If we want to get technical, that wasn't Jean; it was a clone.

The sword cuts both ways.

[jmc247]

If we want to get technical, that wasn't Jean; it was a clone.

The sword cuts both ways.

Retcons aside my point is possession is an (overused) ethical get out of jail free card.

[Kingdom X]

I think people are just pointing out what could pose a problem for the X-Men in the future rather than voicing what they have a problem with personally. Frankly, I find users calling fans "pathetic" and making a big deal because they are batting around ideas about what these types of activities and decisions could mean for the new team more alarming.

Are you talking about me? Cause i definitely did not call anyone pathetic or make a single personal attack against anyone.

[Mercury]

I quoted Wiccan's post, Kingdom X.

[JB]

It’s nice to see Rogue and Cyclops on a team together again. When was the last time? Feel like it’s been a while.

[Devaishwarya]

It’s nice to see Rogue and Cyclops on a team together again. When was the last time? Feel like it’s been a while.

The last time I recall was during the Utopia era, right?

[Dipter]

If we want to get technical, that wasn't Jean; it was a clone.

The sword cuts both ways.

The current Scott is also a clone, so if logic follows he deserves to be pardoned from his crimes

[Mercury]

The current Scott is also a clone, so if logic follows he deserves to be pardoned from his crimes

The current Scott is a clone of the Scott who committed those crimes, no? That was not the case with Jean.

In either case, I usually argue that Jean's soul and consciousness were bonded to her clone, which is how she was able to fight off the Dark Phoenix's natural destructive urges and eventually sacrifice herself to save the team and life in general, so I'm certainly not acting as if the clone and Jean were completely separate entities. I'm simply pointing out the technicalities of the initial retcon, which pretty much absolve Jean of all crimes.