Arrow

[Jack Flag]

Felicity seemed to be crying more than Laurel. I mean, we have to assume that these characters (some of them) hang out in between episodes, off-screen, and what not, but I never got the idea that Sara was friends (or close with) anyone other than Oliver, Laurel, and her dad. So, to see Smoak and Diggle carry on just took me out of it. Roy had the right reaction. He didn't react much at all. Which was expected since he knew her even less than the other two.

Also, how the heck did Laurel, who can't weigh more than 110 pounds, get Sara from that building all the way to the Foundry, and onto that high ass table thing? Adrenaline?

Yes, Adrenaline like the 70s Hulk TV show origin told us makes you super strong.

[GlennSimpson]

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[GlennSimpson]

Arrow acting is the reason I don't watch the show anymore. I can't take this show seriously because of the acting. I am watching 24 again at the moment and its not even funny how 24 acting destroys Arrow acting. Its not even a contest. They need to hire better actors but it seems to Arrow producers acting a secondary thought.

I can say it is often a second- or -third priority for me as a viewer.

[HowitzerJoe]

Also, how the heck did Laurel, who can't weigh more than 110 pounds, get Sara from that building all the way to the Foundry, and onto that high ass table thing? Adrenaline?

I was thinking about that entire sequence of events. She just dragged Sara who had three arrows in her, threw her in the car and drove all the way to the hideout. Then she took her out, dragged her through the building, down the stairs and put her on the table? Then she waited alone with her dead sister's body until Oliver randomly came back at whatever time? Wouldn't it have been better to just call Oliver to the scene?

[beetle_booster]

Ollie shot Komodo's arrow mid-air..while the arrow was flying straight at him. Ollie then does a 360 while knocking an arrow from his quiver and shoots the arrow to pin Komodo to a wall.. Badass.

And it's not in slow-mo too.. it all happend in a matter of seconds.

[Crimz]

Ollie shot Komodo's arrow mid-air..while the arrow was flying straight at him. Ollie then does a 360 while knocking an arrow from his quiver and shoots the arrow to pin Komodo to a wall.. Badass.

And it's not in slow-mo too.. it all happend in a matter of seconds.

That was my favourite thing in the entire episode, as well as when Ollie punched a guy in the nuts.

[Kensei]

Thoughts on this episode-

For those of us who love Felicity, the only thing worse than seeing her in pain is seeing her in pain for an entire episode. I'm enjoying "The Flash" with all its color and upbeat-ness and all, but I enjoy the dark and somber approach too and "Arrow" is delivering it in spades.

So it wasn't Komodo after all. Remember, it was someone Sara knew, or thought she knew. I was thinking the killer was Thea before but she is in training in another part of the world. Is she globe trotting back and forth? I'm still thinking it might be her but I had another idea as well. Maybe Sara only saw a hooded killer in the shadows and thought it was Oliver. It would be a shame if she died thinking he killed her. By the way, I didn't understand the funeral scene. They were talking like they were burying her in secret and Laurel saying she didn't even get a "fresh grave" sounded like they were stacking her on top of someone else, but the headstone said Sara Lance. How is that secret? Would appreciate it if someone can explain this.

Sorry to all those who don't like Laurel as a character or Katie Cassidy as an actress. I've never been one of those but I do admit she hasn't always been stellar. But in this episode there was a moment where I really got on board with her and where she appears to be going. It was when she said, "When I thought Sara died on the Gambit, the only thing I could do was scream at the ocean." I can't fully explain why but there was just something about that line and how dramatic it was that made me go "Wow, THIS is the Laurel I've been waiting for." I actually paused to write it down so I'd remember it. If she is to be Black Canary then so be it. Nyssa could train her but then wouldn't she be expected to join the League of Assassins like Sara? Laurel would not abide that, and may opt to ask Oliver to train her instead.

[beetle_booster]

In fact, I watched yesterday episode just to give the show another chance but the acting and dialogue were too cheesy and for my taste. I am trying man but the show does not give me good options to like it. And this whole Olicity, Ray Palmer/Felicity going on is the icing on the cake.

There you go. You've given the show a chance. It failed. Now stop watching the show and go watch something else you like... and go look for a forum that talks about that show you like. Hopefully that will stop you from posting in this thread where people like to talk about the story instead of nitpicking it to pieces.

[spacegoatpurrp]

Seems like they're gonna waste no time getting Laurel into the Black Canary costume

[The Darknight Detective]

Seems like they're gonna waste no time getting Laurel into the Black Canary costume

Not telling her father about Sara's death also gives Laurel another good reason to use a blonde wig as BC.

[KabutoRyder]

By the way, I didn't understand the funeral scene. They were talking like they were burying her in secret and Laurel saying she didn't even get a "fresh grave" sounded like they were stacking her on top of someone else, but the headstone said Sara Lance. How is that secret? Would appreciate it if someone can explain this.

From what I gather they are burying her in her the grave she had when they thought she was lost at see those years ago, instead of making a fresh one they are actually putting her body in the one she already had.

[Kensei]

Ok, that sounds reasonable.

I don't suppose the "scream at the ocean" line was foreshadowing something about the famous Canary scream? Since they already covered that with Sara's sonic device i.e. an artificial scream, would it be too hokey for Laurel to somehow acquire a real one? Well, answering my own question- yeah, it probably would.

[JediMindTrick]

The motorcycle scene was ridiculously stupid. Those two minutes of sheer lameness really took away from what otherwise might have been a great episode.

To whatever writer thought up the motorcycle scene here is another equally lame idea you can try next time: surfboards. Have Ollie and some other archer square off while surfing.

[KabutoRyder]

Ok, that sounds reasonable.

I don't suppose the "scream at the ocean" line was foreshadowing something about the famous Canary scream? Since they already covered that with Sara's sonic device i.e. an artificial scream, would it be too hokey for Laurel to somehow acquire a real one? Well, answering my own question- yeah, it probably would.

My hope was that Felicity would see the sonic box and find it impractical and fashion an "upgrade" that would be a collar type device and it takes care of that need without getting into any powers.

[Jim Kelly]

I like Katie Cassidy. The problem is that, for two seasons, they've established Laurel as this pant-suit wearing all business civilian caught up in the masked vigilante drama. She's a point of contrast in the story. So it's hard to see her occupying the opposite side of the field. But then I had a problem imagining Thea as a master of the martial arts. Last episode's ending went some distance in getting me through that transition. So I think if they can pull off Thea as Dark Arrowette, then it will be easier to accept Laurel as the new Black Canary.

But the selling point of Green Arrow is that Oliver Queen ended up on an island where he had to struggle for survival, and through that crucible of endurance he becomes a master of the bow. That the TV show made this term on the island a full five years served to prove Oliver's legitimacy as a world class archer and action man. But since the pilot, they've been chipping away at that worthy foundation.

I expected to see Oliver going through five years of hell, before he finally had the credentials for his war on crime. Yet it was more like months, before he was almost at the level of Shado and Deathstroke. And now he's off the island and apparently a trained assassin, after just two years.

Then we have characters like Sara and Roy who seem to have become combatting contenders almost overnight.

So the grounding that the show first gave its characters gets muddier and muddier all the time. And under those conditions, Laurel makes as much sense as anyone else as a kung fu fighter.