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    Default Was Batman right to make plans against the Justice League?

    The Tower of Babel story sees Batman taking precautions against his teammates in the event they go rouge. Sadly, this was used against him by Ra's Al Ghul. While he did have a point about needing something to stop his teammates, some of his plans were really dangerous. So, was he really wrong in the end to have done this in the first place?

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    Yes, he was in the wrong to do this....still not as bad as making Brother Eye though. (Why was he not put in jail for all the deaths caused by that again?)

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    Well, I think it was a reasonable precaution to have contingencies in place in case the heroes go rogue or get mind-controlled or something (which is actually pretty plausible), but not informing the League about them in the first place was a serious breach of trust.

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    Right or wrong on it is a tough question. Would the US be wrong in having hidden plans to strike an ally country at risk of a coup de tat and that could suddenly attack us?

    More importantly, Batman was negligent about protecting these contingencies from rogues. And he might have informed the league on these contingencies.
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    I don't think making the plans themselves was wrong, but Batman was uncharacteristically sloppy in allowing the fact that he had such plans to be known. Storing the data in the Batcomputer was an obvious no no. The plans should have been in his head alone, or on a medium that the likes of Ra's Al Ghul would likely overlook (e.g. baked into Alfred's cookies or something).

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    He would have been in the wrong if DC hadn't gone out of it's way to keep making storylines where the members of the Justice League went rogue.
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    Actually, I remember when Identity Crisis came out and revealed that Zatanna mindwiped Batman in the Satellite Era. Unwittingly, Meltzer provided even another strong/understandable reason for Batman's contingencies in Tower of Babel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assam View Post
    Yes, he was in the wrong to do this....still not as bad as making Brother Eye though. (Why was he not put in jail for all the deaths caused by that again?)
    He`s not willing to call himself out on the same thing he does others.

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    Right in intention, wrong in execution. They should have plans to be able to stop each other, but said member should not have access to his or her own plan.

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    All I know is that all the stupid memes that came from this story and JL: Doom are highly annoying.

    And Batman wasn't even the first person to discover the weaknesses.

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    It's weird to me that he can plan for this but can't plan for a clown to break out of an asylum and turn his city into hell on earth.

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    I'd say he was in the wrong. The whole point of Morrison and Waid's league was that they be exemplars of the best humanity could offer. Bruce's unwillingness to trust his friends was just him being unable to rise above his paranoia and fear. Cold pragmatism is a better fit for outfits like Stormwatch and the Authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordTrump View Post
    It's weird to me that he can plan for this but can't plan for a clown to break out of an asylum and turn his city into hell on earth.
    Even weirder is being a control freak but having the Cave being hacked by everyone and their clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordTrump View Post
    It's weird to me that he can plan for this but can't plan for a clown to break out of an asylum and turn his city into hell on earth.
    Why does Batman have to make contingencies for the Joker all the time? Seriously. When it comes down to it, he's a civilian volunteer doing his city an invaluable service by stopping a terrorist lunatic from murdering thousands of people. The cops can't do it, he can. He not only outwits and defeats this guy on a regular basis, he leaves him gift-wrapped for civil authorities to put away uh, forever. They're the ones not following through. By letting him escape over and over and forcing Bruce to go after him over and over again, they are demonstrating incredible incompetence and liability for the Joker's antics. And yet, where are the cries for them to be punished for their failures? Why is it always "Why doesn't Batman just kill Joker?" "Batman is responsible for the Joker's murders!" "It's batman's fault, batman's fault, batman's fault!"

    I say unto thee, NAY! It's not Batman's fault. He's not responsible for his stupid city government that keeps dropping the ball, he's not responsible for the stupid citizens of Gotham who insist on making their city a hostile living hell, and he's definitely not responsible for the Joker so much as scratching the paint in his jail cell, much less killing anyone. He's doing everything he can to make his town a better place, it's everyone else who keeps failing.
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    Wrong city, wrong people, all huddling in fear.

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    You think you're special cuz you're scrappy? You're deluded, time to go.

    Lucy's living on the moon but you're another dead psycho."

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    I think he was right to make plans against the JL. In a world were people can be mind controlled and other things along those lines. It's helps to have plans to stop them.
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