Rumblers league round 7: Darth drizzle vs tomzilla

[The MunchKING]

Here we go!


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Team Darth Drizzle:

Apocalypse (9) w/Power Stone(9), Mind Stone(8), Absorbtion of Tesseract Energies(10)
David Haller (10) w/Space Stone(9), Mark of Cain and The First Blade(8)
Scarlet Witch (10) w/ The Source of all Evil(9)
Quicksilver (8) w/Gamma Mutation: David Banner(7)
Sebastian Shaw (6) w/ Luthor's Suit(8), Motherbox(8)
Mirage (8) w/Absorption of Gravitonium (7), Invisible Suit(2)


Team Tomzilla:

Shadow King (10)
Illyria (7) w/ Shazam Power (9)
King Ghidorah (MonsterVerse) (10)
Hela (8) w/ Stormbreaker (9)
Vanya Hargreeves (9) w/ CRISP (George Version) (Rampage) (6)
The Night King (8) w/ Absorption of F4 Powers (Fantastic Four: RotSS) (9)
Buffy Summers (3) w/ Mjolnir (9)
Thanos (9) w/ Green Lantern Ring (Green Lantern Movie) (9)
Sherlock Holmes (Cumberbatch) (2) w/ Genie's Lamp (Aladdin) (8) and The Mask (The Mask) 10

Battle at Sunnydale, during "Hush".

[The MunchKING]

The Mutants of Ragnarok vs God Kings of Khazan

Match Start

With both teams having Genies that need wishes to be heard the mutants inact a plan to make that happen. First Apocalypse and Legion link minds to telepathically defend their team while simultaniously putting up a Power Stone energy sheild and teleporting everyone 2 miles into the air. Apocalypse upgrades Legion with a glance while Wanda alters Reality inside the sheild making voices able to be heard and empowering Quicksilver with Chaos/Source Magic. Mirage uses her Gravity powers to keep everybody in the air and Shaw upgrades Mirage's suit with a touch. With everyone high and above the enemy and hidden from sight/mental detection the mutants start their attacks.

Fight' N Time!

Apocalypse/Legion:
Protected from any physical attacks behind power sheilding Apocalypse and Horseman Legion combine their powers and Telepathically assault the Shadow King. As both mutants are a match for Shadow King one on one here they are combined and boosted with Apocalypse having the Mind Stone and Legion having his powers perfected by the Horseman upgrade and now their new combined might is unleashed on Amahl. As Jean was able to use her Phoenix like powers in the Astral Plane then both Mutants can and will use their Infinity powers to destroy him both mentally and physically in a Telepathic duel for the ages. After taking out Amahl they turn their powers on the rest of the enemy starting with Illyria, Ghidorah, then the everyone else.
Taken Out: Shadow King, rest of team


Scarlet Witch:
With the Shadow King occupied Wanda teleports down to street level and out of sight then exerts her own psionic powers and uses her Magic Mind control and Reality Warping to take over the minds of all enemies except for the Shadow King in one big AOE wave and turning them all into circus clowns. As she also has Time Manipulation powers she counters and nullifies Illyria if she uses hers making her as vulnerable as everyone else and she gets controlled as well. If anyone resists this she TK crushes them or Source/Chaos blasts them to dust.
Taken Out: Illyria, rest of team

Quicksilver
As soon as Wanda makes it possible he wishes that "all enemy items were at the center of the Earth", followed by "I wish for my team to be invisible" and saves his last wish for now. As he is now being a Chaos magic infused energy being he beams out at all enemies in the order of Illyria, Thanos, Sherlock, Hell, Buffy, Night King, Vanya, and Ghidorah and with a touch or quick blast of energy he transmutes them all into 1980s punk rockers with no memories of which they were. Anybody that doesn't get changed is atomized by it's raw destructive energy by blasts or thousands of punches. Lastly if Shadow King or Illyria aren't dealt with or the plan has changed because of other actions his last wish is "I wish the Shadow King/Illyria to be dead" and whoever is more detrimental to the mutants success dies instantly.
Taken Out: Illyria, rest of team

Sebastian Shaw:
As everyone else is teleported he stays behind and acts as a distraction. He speeds forward while absorbing energy and he unleashes it all by punching the ground 100m away from the closest enemy and creating a massive explosion and a shockwave big enough to throw enemies backwards. He then speeds around flying and using buildings as cover and pops in and out using his Motherbox/Luthor suit radar and sensors to attack targets starting with Illyria, then Hella, Buffy, Sherlock, Vanya, Nightking, and Ghidorah.

Mirage:
She stays near Wanda to help protect her and unleashes the Fears of her enemies upon them as she uses her invisibility and the silence of the area to become virtually undetectable. Flying above any lights from the street or buildings she Gravity crushes and rag dolls any enemies that come near her or Wanda and deflect or sheild any attacks coming at her team. As every enemy here has a major rival their fears would be a huge hinderance to their plans as they materialize near their targets and relentlessly attack them throwing off their moves and stopping them from countering the attacks from the mutants coming at them.
Taken Out: Any enemies that come near her and Wanda

[The MunchKING]

Tomzilla’s Strategy Against Darth Drizzle

It’s a quiet night in Sunnydale. Thanks to the Gentlemen, everyone’s voices have been taken away. To solve this dilemma, Shadow King instantly establishes a psi-link. Next, Illyria slows downtime in order to buy my team time (pun intended). This being Sunnydale, which is populated by the undead (vampires, zombies, demons, etc.), Night King imposes his necromancy on the town and converts its undead denizens to my side. Monster Vanya is sent above Sunnydale to absorb sound waves (more on this in a moment).

Worthy Buffy goes to her friends in Sunnydale (Willow Rosenberg, Rupert Giles, etc.) and Shadow King telepathically brings them up to speed. Through Giles’ occult knowledge, we discover the secret to removing this curse. It shouldn’t take long to locate the Gentlemen’s Box. Shadow King and Sherlock!Mask see to its destruction, bringing back everyone’s voices. Buffy and her friends begin preparations to perform the Enjoining Spell.

At this point, Sherlock Holmes summons the Genie to make his First Wish.

First Wish: Make Darth Drizzle’s team fight each other.

King Ghidorah, Shazam!Illyria, Stormbreaker Hela, and Lantern Thanos are dispatched to attack Team Darth Drizzle. Even if they don’t win, Darth’s team are still infighting in slow motion. King Ghidorah acts as my main wrecking ball. Given his gigantic size, Ghidorah will become the main target, which buys the rest of my team more time.

Vanya unleashes supercharged energy blasts/pulses, sniping out Mirage and Quicksilver (with time slowed down, Pietro is a slower target), while weakening some of his heavy-hitters (Scarlet Witch). All those slain are drafted into Night King’s undying army. Night King personally deals with Sebastian Shaw, smothering him alive with his Mr. Fantastic powers.

Second Wish: Create the Infinity Gauntlet for Thanos.

Shadow King and Night King (+ Undead Sunnydale Army) join the fray.

Given Shadow King and Legion/David Haller’s history, it’s safe to say there will be fireworks between the two. Shadow King’s best strategy here is to pull David into the Astral Plane. For the sake of discussion, the Astral Plane is a dimension between dreams and reality, and since both characters from opposing teams are present, there’s no ring-out. Fighting in the Astral Plane works for Shadow King because it removes the Space Stone and First Blade from the equation. Here, Shadow King is David’s superior as has been the case throughout their rivalry, and Shadow King emerges the victor by possessing David Haller’s body once more.

Behold, the Shadow Legion!

Worthy Buffy returns, possessing the power of Thor and the Enjoining Spell (transmogrification, spell casting, portal creation, energy shields, technopathy, etc). Buffy, Illyria, and Mask!Holmes team-up on Scarlet Witch, with the Buffyverse girls combining their temporal powers to banish Wanda from this realm.

Stormbreaker is the Anti-Infinity Gauntlet weapon. Hela uses it to score a fatal shot on Apocalypse, distracting him long enough for Sherlock Holmes to make his Third and Final Wish:

Third Wish: Teleport all the Infinity Stones to Thanos.

Thanos’s Infinity Gauntlet is now in control of the Power Stone, Space Stone, and Mind Stone. Shazam!Illyria, Worthy!Uber Buffy, Mask!Holmes, and Night King’s Undead Army (which at this point is most of Sunnydale) keep the remaining members of Darth Drizzle busy long enough for Thanos—guided by Shadow Legion’s psychically assaulting Apocalypse—to annihilate them all with the Infinity Stones.

Welcome to my Endgame.

[Darth Drizzle]

Just posting 2 quick supporting feats.

Wanda AOE powers: Here she stops Time across the whole city then extends her Hex faster than a car can speed away. She also turns people into clowns and extends her Telepathic range at the same time.

Apocalypse Fast Upgrade: This shows Apocalypse can upgrade instantly with merely a glance at them.

[Darth Drizzle]

Finally got some time to post. To the match!


Apocalypse/Legion/Shadow King Telepathy Duel:
As items that effect body/brain powers have worked when in the Astratl Plane they would do so here. Xavier while using Cerebro would have his Cerebro enhanced mind in the Astral Plane, and Loki was using the Mind Stone when he used his high level Astral Body(which means he has access to the Astral Plane) or Jean manifesting her Phoenix powers in body and Mind. Now if they had a Gun that shot black holes or a sword that cuts through Adamantium then that wouldn't affect their Astral Plane abilities, but things that are part of your power set or power your mind/body do stay with you in the Astral Plane.

Now for the actual match Apocalypse and Legion can link minds and sheild/teleport at the same time as they are both proficient at doing multiple power based moves at once(alot more than the 2 they do here). As shown Apocalypse can upgrade Legion with a look so they would both be attacking Shadow King 2-3 seconds into the fight, and as Amahl is busy linking minds and trying to find the Scooby Gang then catching them up on their plans. So needless to say right after Shadow King links minds with his team he is bombarded by the combined might of Apocalypse/Legion and is taken out.

Shaw vs Enemy opening Moves:
As they first moves for the enemy team is search for the Scooby Gang they are interrupted by Super Shaw as he blows up a city block with his opening attack(maybe even taking out the Scoobs with it) and uses his Motherbix upgraded sensors to see everyone clearly and able to use massive AOE attacks on them to throw them off. As he has better than Superman speed post Motherbox upgrade even a time slowed opponent like Hell/Buffy/Night King/Illyria/Masked Sherlock/Vanya wouldn't be able to dodge his attacks with their range and power output and it would disrupt their plans immediately and take out some of them in the process.

Scarlet Witch Unleashed:
With Wanda able to counter Illyrias Time Manipulation with her own nothing here stops her from Mentally dominating and transforming All enemies here 3-5 seconds in to the match as her enemies have just begun moving forward to start looking for the Scooby Gang. Plus her attack is invisible compared to the clip I posted above which showed her Red Hex as she is doing this move calmly(and the default Hex is invisible/camoflauged) and not while Angry or panicked (which was mostly when the color showed in show) so they wouldn't see it coming.

Quicksilvers Clean Up:
As Apocalypse Power Stone Shield destroys magic the quiet spell would be nullified inside the sheild and he could make his wishes. But for redundency Wanda also makes it possible with a thought and hand motion. So around 2 seconds into the match Quicksilver gets his wishes off removing enemy items and turning his team invisible and is empowered by Chaos/Source magic. Now an invisible energy being he lays waste to any/all enemies on the battlefield who are suddenly item less and can't see or hear him coming.

Mirage Tactical Strikes:
As her Fears are stronger the deeper the victim feels it then most enemies here would produce strong fears that immediately attack them as they look for the Gang as well. Add in her gravity crushing and tossing while unfindable and that's a wrap for the God Kings of Khazan.

[Tomzilla]

In previous debates, Shadow King’s speed/reaction feats were discussed. Here, I’ll share a video clip from a Legion episode where Shadow King not only blitzed a Time Eater, but was immune to its time manipulations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jNLnX3wCoQ
@1:25 is when time completely stopped and the Time Eater was entering our plane of existence. It’s at that point the Time Eater must’ve been thinking, “Do I hear boss music?”


Seriously, guys. If you haven’t already, watch FX’s Legion. It’s one of the greatest shows ever. If you have a Hulu membership, you can watch the entire series there.

As items that effect body/brain powers have worked when in the Astratl Plane they would do so here. Xavier while using Cerebro would have his Cerebro enhanced mind in the Astral Plane,

I don’t recall Cerebro enhanced Xavier ever entering the Astral Plane. When did this happen?

and Loki was using the Mind Stone when he used his high level Astral Body(which means he has access to the Astral Plane) or Jean manifesting her Phoenix powers in body and Mind. Now if they had a Gun that shot black holes or a sword that cuts through Adamantium then that wouldn't affect their Astral Plane abilities, but things that are part of your power set or power your mind/body do stay with you in the Astral Plane.

That’s debatable. After using the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos was sent inside the Soul Stone—without the other Infinity Stones his physical body was still in possession of. It’s why Doctor Strange couldn’t leave in his Astral Body with the Time Stone.

We’ll also need to discuss whether or not the Infinity Stones can even function in Sunnydale. The Infinity Stones only work in their respective universe (e.g., the MCU), meaning we’ll need to adjust our strategies.

Now for the actual match Apocalypse and Legion can link minds and sheild/teleport at the same time as they are both proficient at doing multiple power based moves at once(alot more than the 2 they do here). As shown Apocalypse can upgrade Legion with a look so they would both be attacking Shadow King 2-3 seconds into the fight, and as Amahl is busy linking minds and trying to find the Scooby Gang then catching them up on their plans. So needless to say right after Shadow King links minds with his team he is bombarded by the combined might of Apocalypse/Legion and is taken out.

I’m curious why you think Legion needs upgrading. He’s an Omega level mutant with power arguably greater than Apocalypse (minus power ups). You’re also being vague, like what specifically is being enhanced that makes much of a difference?

Shadow King’s psionic power is vast. Even if he can’t stand against Apocalypse and Legion, Illyria slowed down time at the start, well before your team could do the same, so he’s strong enough to hold his own against his slow-moving enemies as Hela throws Stormbreaker at Apocalypse, which he can’t stop because Stormbreaker powered through the Infinity Gauntlet. How are they supposed to concentrate with King Ghidorah crashing down on them? Thanos is highly-resistant to psionic attacks, so with the Mad Titan involved, it’s looking like your Mutant Pair will need to act fast—which they can’t because Illyria’s time powers are still in effect.

Shadow King has enough time for Buffy to go on her solo mission and for Sherlock to make his Wishes.

Shaw vs Enemy opening Moves:
As they first moves for the enemy team is search for the Scooby Gang they are interrupted by Super Shaw as he blows up a city block with his opening attack(maybe even taking out the Scoobs with it) and uses his Motherbix upgraded sensors to see everyone clearly and able to use massive AOE attacks on them to throw them off.

Shaw has no defense against Night King smothering/freezing him.

As he has better than Superman speed post Motherbox upgrade even a time slowed opponent like Hell/Buffy/Night King/Illyria/Masked Sherlock/Vanya wouldn't be able to dodge his attacks with their range and power output and it would disrupt their plans immediately and take out some of them in the process.

What evidence is there the Motherbox grants Superman level speed? What level of speed are we talking? Pre-Shazam Power, Illyria dodged bullets. Vanya is a bullet timer, too.

Scarlet Witch Unleashed:
With Wanda able to counter Illyrias Time Manipulation with her own nothing here stops her from Mentally dominating and transforming All enemies here 3-5 seconds in to the match as her enemies have just begun moving forward to start looking for the Scooby Gang. Plus her attack is invisible compared to the clip I posted above which showed her Red Hex as she is doing this move calmly(and the default Hex is invisible/camoflauged) and not while Angry or panicked (which was mostly when the color showed in show) so they wouldn't see it coming.

Illyria can alter/stop time with just the wave of her hand. Wanda can only manipulate time inside her hex pocket dimension. Which means she needs to unleash her Hex powers and warp the reality of the town (in this case, Sunnydale) before countering Illyria. That will take Wanda a few moments. That’s way too long.

Quicksilvers Clean Up:
As Apocalypse Power Stone Shield destroys magic the quiet spell would be nullified inside the sheild and he could make his wishes.

If Apocalypse tried using the Power Stone to destroy the magic, which has an AoE over Sunnydale, he’d wipe out his own team. There’s no evidence the Power Stone can be used to specifically target something like magic and leave everything else untouched.

Doing this also makes it easier for my team to slow down time/make Wishes.

Mirage Tactical Strikes:
As her Fears are stronger the deeper the victim feels it then most enemies here would produce strong fears that immediately attack them as they look for the Gang as well. Add in her gravity crushing and tossing while unfindable and that's a wrap for the God Kings of Khazan.

Except those fears Mirage conjures can’t recognize friend from foe. She also runs the high risk of creating fears generated by her own team (e.g., Wanda), which then lashes out at, say, Apocalypse or Legion.

[Darth Drizzle]

Sorry for the late response, got some new things in here at work and it took up a lot of time getting to know how to use them.

1.For Cerebro/Stones: When Xavier uses Cerebro to track people all over the world he enters the Astral Plane to do so, which is why the World turns Red and Purple and it looks like he is passing through time when scan in for people!e and erybody he is looking for lights up like a Torch when found. It's only when using Cerebro they show the world looking like that, and it's the reason why when Apocalypse duels him in the Astral Plane he a!ready knows what it is.

The Stones work here as like alot of other items from other universes the League makes exceptions for this, like how Neo or Agent Smith have powers here and how items from other universes can be used on characters here(like a Spider bite on a Dinosaur gives it Spider Man powers, or a Growth Serum made for animals on a human giving it the same movie feats etc). It's literally a key point in why the League was made in the first place, giving items to characters across universes and seeing who would win.

2. David could be upgraded because he isn't the smartest cookie in the jar which is why when I used him before I gave him an intelligence boost,and here Apocalypse's upgrade instantly gives the user master level control over their powers as well as boosting it. So even if anyone thinks the Stones don't work in the Astral Plane it is still Apocalypse and a upgraded Legion combined against Shadow King which they will win.

Even in the show Shadow King needed to prey on David's family/friends to weaken his emotional state and they capitalize on that opportunity. He never wanted to face a non distracted David or a David who is in control of his emotions/powers as when he did Amahl lost those encounters or was forced out. And Apocalypse himself has a proven feat of easily beating a Cerebro enhanced Xavier(who again was shown to have Global Level reach when using it) and forcing dozens of people across the globe to launch their nuclear weapons which is as good if not better than Shadow King trapping dozens of minds inside his head. So the 2 combined here would take out Amahl.

3.Illyria/NightKing: Legion and Wanda are not affected by Time Manipulation and are written to counter Illyrias should she try it. So Apocalypse/Legions Telepathy assault is done 2-3 seconds into the fight as planned, and Wanda's Magic Telepathy/Reality Warping happens right after that, so both of their attacks happen as planned as the Time Manipulation won't effect them.

As the video I posted shows the Luthor Suit at base reacted to a speeding Superman trying g to blitz him and caught him mid air(with slow motion graphics to show super speed is being used) and then they both fight at super speed while crossing the Planet and even flying to outer space near instantly.

This is all before the Motherbox is transfused into it(not a fraction of it's energy or a spark of energy which created Cyborg and reincarnated Superman) and is shown to constantly upgrade machines(when Cyborg says "every day I wake up something new is added to me") so yes the Suit is definitely above Superman after combining with the Motherbox, there really can't be a argument against that based on these facts. So Illyrias time slow won't make him slower then they are and NightKing only kills himself by trying to attack Shaw physically as he would absorb the energy making stronger and blow him up or just absorb energy from the Motherbox(which he is constantly doing anyway) and explode him from that.

4. Wanda never created a pocket dimension? She made a sheild around a town so nobody could enter and warped Reality inside of it but was just a normal real world town inside the sheild. Even some Drones and Monica entered it by passing through normwlly and in the clip I posted Wanda herself just walked through it showing that there was no dimensional manipulation. So yes her powers work normally with or without the sheild.

And the clip I posted shows that Wanda only needs to think or wave her hand and ALOT of things happen instantly so Illyrias waving her hand to stop time is nothing against Wanda who waves her hand and not only does Time Stop but All of Reality around her for Miles changes. Illyria isn't going to out Magic Wanda at anything as feats clearly prove.

5. Apocalypse Power Stone Sheild blocks out/destroys the Magic outside of the sheild as I already have shown that it destroys magical energy, and everyone inside the sheild is safe because the Sheild energy is feet away by from them(Apocalypse sheild was shown to be a bubble sheild in movie and he shows that he has mastery over his own powers so making it bigger isn't an issue) and with the spell cancelled inside the sheild Quicksilver can make his wishes and I have Wanda wave her hand and make it so voices can heard on top of that so Quicksilver gets his wishes off for sure.

6. Mirage got full control over her powers at the end of the Movie and even before that the Fears she brought out were shown to immediately go after the person it came from and even spawn near the person. So no the Fears don't start next to Mirage and then spread out from their and no they don't target random people before they attack the person who they were born from. And again every enemy here has major fears that will absolutely pose a problem for them as soon as the fight starts(as Mirage's power has shown at least a Mike's range as she created one far outside the giant complex they were in). You can't ignore or down play her big impact in this battle.