Ohk so arguments on why bobby is less powerful than Amara and why he abd hope shouldn't be omega because bobby has some crazy feats very omega level feats he can even make sentient life
Also rictor also demonstrated to be able to survive in molten magma so she has competition there and his power has been stated to be planetary. To be omega you must have first and foremost insurmountable power in your specific mutation. Amara gas not demonstrated insurmountable power a volcano over a city is great but it doesn't denote nigh unlimited power.
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Honestly i still don't get people confusion with this. It says undefinable limit. Storm and Thor powers can both reach an undefinable limit in the same way or in their case different ways as storm powers work different. Jean and quentin powers are more similar and yet either can't be defined. The misunderstanding seems a tad messy. Thor has never used nanobot wind he created or healed a dimension. The reason forge was left off the list is not because reed was better but because Forge's upper limit could be defined as he is still limited to not being able to create materials out of thin air. a Technopath that could mentally create any sort of techonolgy regardless of if the material existed would of course surpass Reed.
In essence some people have just put up a block of identifiable upper limits vs. undefinable. No matter what forge create it will need some physical matter and someone of reed level could duplicate it thereby it is limited by physical material.
I just thought of the perfect example. If forge was able to make something completely new out of mysterium the only way to stop reed from doing the same would be denying him mysterium because he can't identify it's properties in any other metal but it's the metal not forge that stops him from reproducing the design.
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There's no stipulation that one mutant should be in each category, no, but there is a stipulation of not being surpassed at all, which means that if Magneto can surpass Lorna, she is not Omega-Level (implying Jean and Quentin's powers are either equal or different enough so as not to surpass each other). Not saying I agree that should be the case, but that's clearly what is written by Hickman.
I can't really argue on who's "superior" or not since I don't know the characters and what they've done very deeply. But to be fair here, Storm's Omega status comes from weather manipulation in a much broader sense than Thor. Thor's capabilities are restricted only to the elements of storms, while Storm can influence weather that has nothing to do with storms. So even if Thor's stronger than Storm for storm-related weather - and again, that's a big if because I don't have the background to say any which way - Storm still counts as Omega by the definition and how they categorized her.
Now if only Marvel was as consistent and respectful with other characters.
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I don't see how creating or erupting volcanoes is an omega-level ability. Volcanoes are just the result of certain plate tectonic activities. Magma isn't rewriting how a planet's plates are configured, or how they interact with each other and the planetary layers below them. Maybe if she could control gravity on a continental/planetary scale?
It's like saying Storm is an omega because she can create hurricanes or tornadoes; Storm controls the fundamental atmospheric forces from which tornadoes and hurricanes are derived.
BTW, Thor doesn't control "weather" the way Storm can, nor does he have that symbiotic and/or telepathic connection to it.
As for Polaris, we may have seen characters talk about her potential to surpass Magneto, but we've never seen it; we've seen a lot of Magneto flexes that justify his omega status.
I totally agree with what you said.
Polaris' biggest problem was that she left the X-mens too early and went to the X-factor, if she was with the X-mens until today, her powers would be better developed.
There were times in the comics when you could understand that Polaris was more powerful than Magneto, and I always saw Lorna having an easier time accessing the electromagnetic field, the energies than her father.
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I’d assume different because Jean has recently trained him and even taken over to do things he couldn’t do.
These rules are also why I think Jean should be classified as an Omega Telekinetic. She is Marvel’s first telekinetic, and it was her dominant power for the first few years. There really is no reason why she isn’t classified as such. In fact, I think her Omega Power classification should be Psionics, which encompass TP and TK.
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This. I am baffled why people keep trying to make this more complicated when it has already been clearly spelled out. The problem is people keep focusing on feats when that stuff does not matter. It doesn't matter that Thor has better weather showings or whatever. Storm might never be able to match his skills and power in her lifetime but that is irrelevant. Something about her powers makes it so that she is never gonna reach a definable limit to her abilities apparently. Look at Frost and Quentin. She is a much better telepath than him. But that doesn't matter. No matter how much better she gets or feats she has, she apparently is gonna hit an apex or zenith to her abilities. Quentin will never hit that if he keeps trying to better his powers, even if Frost will always be better and more skilled than him.
Being able to make an earthquake or volcano thousands of miles from where those could occur naturally is very different from manipulating the edges of the tectonic plates. Her power involves the entire planet from the core to the crust and everything in between. I don't see how you can create an entirely new mountain in seconds where there is 0 tectonic activity or turn an area which has no potential for volcanic activity into a volcano and dismiss that as just the result of tectonics.
I can't get scans of New Mutants 50 where they fought Magus, but her own quote, which was backed by Xavier, was "my power may be the only thing keeping the planetary core stable and the world itself whole and intact." Her presence was the difference between the planet staying a planet or turning into an asteroid field like Alderaan.
And the idea that the current definition of Omega means limitless is debatable at best. The wording on the definition is deliberately vague and the part about being unable to be surpassed would be completely superfluous if that was what they meant. Outside of the highest-tier reality warpers like Legion I refuse to believe that any of these characters defined as Omegas have unlimited power. Magneto can't move all metal in the known universe at once and Jean and Quentin can't read all minds in the universe at once. If they were truly unlimited in their power they would by definition be able to do those things.
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Agreed it´s more like they have unlimited reach of their powers and this also has been talked about with Monarch, Mister M and Franklin, they all are reality manipulators but on different areas or their power expresses itself on different ways and to address Magneto´s case, it´s been said repeatedly his main problem when his powers get a temporal short circuit has a psycological origin and not in the way his powers generally work.The thing about him is that he already has big feats but those feats can be even bigger in the future because his reach is unlimited and the only thing that holds him back is his internal fight over methods and means as well as his fear of losing his mind while using his powers.
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Now that I think about it, Franklin also has gotten short circuits of his powers after using them for an extended perioud of time or when he feels he´s been abusing them, same case with Jean Grey.
In the case of Lorna, I see her between Alpha and Omega, she has the same type of power Magneto has but we don´t know yet know if her reach is unlimited and when/if this happens then she will defintely be also an omega with or without Magneto on the list.
Now about Rogue, that´s also in question, because I think she has unlimited reach and it´s just that her powers work in different ways than those of Synch or Hope but of the three of them Hope is the only one considered omega.
I think the Omega label is still pretty ambiguous Hickman just added some rules to the category so it made a little more sense.
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Pretty much. Omegs are kind of like Super Saiyans. They are not inherently the most powerful but if a new threat shows up whereas Emma's abilities will always be defined in what the human mind knows of telepathy Jean will adapt to face gods, or aliens or whatever shows up. It doesn't even mean that she will be close to them in power it means her reach when introduced to an evolutionary challenge to her powers will always adapt to find a way in her specific catergory. If the univer changed tomorrow and the dynamics of what was psychic power changed tomorrow jean and quentin will find away while emma powers may still be beholden the the old physics of it. That imo is the difference with omegas. No matter the domain, terrain, dimension or laws of physics because their power can't be defined it will always find a way. They just need to live long enough to get there. It's not about feat at all. lol
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I think Polars biggest problem is for all intents and purposes she has not had her original x-gene until after her death in x-factor. Since before then she had whatever Apoc simulated with celestial technology. One thing imo we do know about lorna original x-gene is that given it is a gene that responds to stress and survival is a strong enough one to develop a secondary mutation. I would love to see that explored.
Basically Polaris i can see not necessarily being excluded from the list because she wasn't fully herself power-wise when the list was created. But i can't say anyone else would have thought of that detail while making the list.
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