Broly (DBS) vs Caulifla and Kale

[Mr_E_88]

Broly from Dragon Ball Super takes on Caulifla and Kale.

R1: Broly vs Caulifa

R2: Broly vs Kale

R2: Broly vs Kefla

All fighters are at full power in all rounds, who wins?

[Len Ikari145]

Broly from Dragon Ball Super takes on Caulifla and Kale.

R1: Broly vs Caulifa

R2: Broly vs Kale

R2: Broly vs Kefla

All fighters are at full power in all rounds, who wins?

Broly curbstomps both with ease. A somewhat serious Goku in SSG form was casually manhandling both SSJ2 Caulifa and LSSJ2 Kale simultaneously, whereas Broly can stalemate (albeit temporarily) a stronger Goku at SSJB in his Wrathful state. And LSSJ Broly can keep up with and tank blows from SSJB Gogeta (who is several leagues above Kefla).

[Siriel]

This is a pretty blatant spite thread.

That aside;

A somewhat serious Goku in SSG form was casually manhandling both SSJ2 Caulifa and LSSJ2 Kale simultaneously

This did not happen as people seem to think it did. Whenever she wasn't trying to synchronize with Caulifla, SSJ2 Kale was able to go blow for blow with him and by the end of the fight she was the only one of the three that had suffered no visible damage at all from the fight, nor was she even breathing hard. The fight is actually pretty good at showing that she was as strong or stronger as that Goku, but held back to try to work together with a much weaker Caulifla.

[Rightoya]

A somewhat serious Goku in SSG form was casually manhandling both SSJ2 Caulifa and LSSJ2 Kale simultaneously,

Kale was not getting manhandled, much less casually, Goku just outskilled her but power-wise she kept up with him.

That said Broly stomps, Kefla in her for her last attack powered up Berserk 2 form could defeat his Wrathful form without breaking a sweat, but his Legendary Super Saiyan form is just laughably overpowered.

[BitVyper]

So we went from Super Saiyan Gogeta more or less trading a few inconclusive blows with whatever you want to call shirtless Broly to SSB Gogeta pretty decisively securing the win, putting Shirtless probably somewhat above the former and considerably beneath the latter. Gogeta's probably well stronger than Kefla, but "full power" Broly is pretty much just uncontrollably vomiting energy. I'm not sure if he can fight with any amount of intelligence at that point, so Kefla might have a chance if she can avoid the beamspam long enough for him to burn himself out. He's not shown that he's immune to the generally consistent rules of energy attrition Dragon Ball runs on, he just got taken out before it could happen. Just depends on if he can last through her whole fusion or not.

[Mr_E_88]

So we went from Super Saiyan Gogeta more or less trading a few inconclusive blows with whatever you want to call shirtless Broly to SSB Gogeta pretty decisively securing the win, putting Shirtless probably somewhat above the former and considerably beneath the latter. Gogeta's probably well stronger than Kefla, but "full power" Broly is pretty much just uncontrollably vomiting energy. I'm not sure if he can fight with any amount of intelligence at that point, so Kefla might have a chance if she can avoid the beamspam long enough for him to burn himself out. He's not shown that he's immune to the generally consistent rules of energy attrition Dragon Ball runs on, he just got taken out before it could happen. Just depends on if he can last through her whole fusion or not.

I'm sorry, but I don't get your point.

You described the fight between Broly and Gogeta, but didn't give an opinion on who has the upper hand in these matches.

Do you think that Kale, Caulifla, and Kefla at full power are stronger then Broly at full power?

[Cody]

Kale was not getting manhandled, much less casually, Goku just outskilled her but power-wise she kept up with him.

Going to have to agree with this. Goku was tuckered out from previous fights, so she did seem to come off in better shape after her exchanges with him, as Siriel pointed out.

I'd say her LSSJ2 state could probably hang with Broly's SSJ state just fine, it's just anything beyond that is going to be a problem, she is unlikely to hurt him much, if at all, while he can do a lot of damage to her with little effort in his LSSJ state.

[Saitou Hajime]

Broly sweeps. ToP SSG Goku was able to overpower Kale and Caulifla combined and SSBKK Goku was rivaling SSJ Kefla, and Goku got even more stronger as the ToP went on, to the point that he could make Jiren even more fired up than in his earlier fights with just SSB and SSBKK. Broly with just his Wrath state was fighting on par with a post ToP SSB Goku. And if we're talking about the manga then the girls lose even harder as Kefla herself wasn't even stronger than Gohan, who's behind Goku and Vegeta.

[BitVyper]

Eeeh, SSBKK Goku was able to get a hit on Kefla. When Kefla got her own solid hit in, she knocked him right out of both forms and had him struggling to get back to his feet. Kefla seemed to be getting stronger the more she fought, and particularly went from getting flash stepped by Goku there to doing exactly the same thing right back at him. And THEN, after KOing SSBKK Goku, she went Super Saiyan 2 in response to Ultra Instinct. We don't get too good of a read on her power at that point though, since UI Goku is just dodging everything. At the very least, the difference between SS1 and SS2 is well established to be pretty overwhelming.

Pre-Super Saiyan Broly was losing to SSB Goku, and once he went Super Saiyan, Goku and Vegeta retreated with barely a fight (though he did plow through a pair of hasty beams from them). No stage of that fight really goes the distance until SSB Gogeta rocks him. The characters are unusually pragmatic about skipping past the phase where they exhaust themselves (save maybe for SSG Goku).

[Siriel]

Generally speaking based on showings, Caulifla can defeat base Broly but not his angry mode.
Kale can beat his angry mode but not Super Saiyan.
Kefla can beat Super Saiyan but not Full Power.

So if you assume that Broly, who can't control his power properly, starts off in base form in all three rounds he just gets one-shot except possibly against Caulifla, where he might be able to tank her long enough to get angry.

On the other hand if the OP meant that he starts off at Full Power, then he crushes them all. Kefla could in theory just play keep-away and power up as he exhausts himself, but that would be vastly out of character for her, since we know her reaction to facing someone she struggles against is to just go all-in.

[Saitou Hajime]

Base Broly can beat Caulifla. He was shown rapidly adapting to post ToP Vegeta who had to go all the way to SSG to outpace him. Caulifla is weaker than Vegeta and maxes out at SSJ2 which is a comparatively minor increase so I can see Base Broly adapting to that too.

Wrath State Broly can beat Kale. He wasn't that far off from post ToP SSB Goku. ToP SSG Goku had no problem throwing hands with Kale while slapping Caulifla away when she tried to butt in, Goku literally flew through one of Kale's blasts before smacking her away, and overpowered both girls' blasts with his own with Kale struggling to deflect Goku's blast on her while he casually toyed with Caulifla using the other blast.

SSJ Broly beats Kefla. He wasn't that far off from post ToP SSJ Gogeta who should be far superior to SSJ2 Kefla.

If we subscribe to the belief that Broly can't access his SSJ forms without a trigger like Paragus dying them he shouldn't lose to anyone but Kefla, since even in base his rate of adaptation is ridiculously fast and Wrath State is a SSB tier form that's achievable even under normal circumstances, and none of the girls are beyond SSG tier. And if we go by the manga version then Broly should be able to beat even Kefla since she's only equal to Gohan who's behind Goku and Vegeta.

[Siriel]

Wrath State Broly can beat Kale. He wasn't that far off from post ToP SSB Goku. ToP SSG Goku had no problem throwing hands with Kale while slapping Caulifla away when she tried to butt in, Goku literally flew through one of Kale's blasts before smacking her away, and overpowered both girls' blasts with his own with Kale struggling to deflect Goku's blast on her while he casually toyed with Caulifla using the other blast.

This requires ignoring that Kale is explicitly shown to be holding back massively because Caulifla wasn't capable of standing properly next to her when she powered up for real. Goku being able to overpower Kale's blast when she's trying to synchronize it to Caulifla is pretty much meaningless as a result.

We see Kale at the end of the fight, she's not even breathing hard or affected by anything that happened in it.

SSJ Broly beats Kefla. He wasn't that far off from post ToP SSJ Gogeta who should be far superior to SSJ2 Kefla.

There's nothing enabling this scaling, we have no idea how powerful SSJ Gogeta is compared to anyone except that he must presumably be some amount stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta.

[Saitou Hajime]

This requires ignoring that Kale is explicitly shown to be holding back massively because Caulifla wasn't capable of standing properly next to her when she powered up for real. Goku being able to overpower Kale's blast when she's trying to synchronize it to Caulifla is pretty much meaningless as a result.

We see Kale at the end of the fight, she's not even breathing hard or affected by anything that happened in it.

Kale blasts Goku on her own and he just eats it and punches her away. At best she's not beyond SSG tier which isn't good enough to deal with Wrath State Broly.

There's nothing enabling this scaling, we have no idea how powerful SSJ Gogeta is compared to anyone except that he must presumably be some amount stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta.

The boys are stronger than the girls so their fusion should be stronger (and that's just in the ToP, much less post ToP like the Broly movie), and their rivalry makes their fusion even stronger. Even Base Gogeta is shown to be stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta.

[Rightoya]

Going to have to agree with this. Goku was tuckered out from previous fights, so she did seem to come off in better shape after her exchanges with him, as Siriel pointed out.

I'd say her LSSJ2 state could probably hang with Broly's SSJ state just fine, it's just anything beyond that is going to be a problem, she is unlikely to hurt him much, if at all, while he can do a lot of damage to her with little effort in his LSSJ state.

Agreed

SSJ Broly beats Kefla. He wasn't that far off from post ToP SSJ Gogeta who should be far superior to SSJ2 Kefla.
.

That is not a reasonable argument for the idea that Broly in his Super Saiyan form defeats Kefla in her powered up Berserk 2 form, she was 2 power ups above Goku in his Kaioken Blue form at that stage and even had the speed to follow Goku's movements and 1 time block him in his imperfect Ultra Instinct form. Gogeta as just a Super Saiyan is in a lower form, even arguably than her Berserk 1 form, and has no feats to prove that he would be far superior.

[Saitou Hajime]

Agreed
That is not a reasonable argument for the idea that Broly in his Super Saiyan form defeats Kefla in her powered up Berserk 2 form, she was 2 power ups above Goku in his Kaioken Blue form at that stage and even had the speed to follow Goku's movements and 1 time block him in his imperfect Ultra Instinct form. Gogeta as just a Super Saiyan is in a lower form, even arguably than her Berserk 1 form, and has no feats to prove that he would be far superior.

Gogeta is stronger than Kefla simply because the guys are stronger than the girls, and they also get a rival boost; that's just during the ToP, as the guys got stronger after that by the time they fought Broly. Base Gogeta was stronger than post ToP SSB Goku and Vegeta, while Kefla had to turn SSJ to compete with ToP SSB Goku. Goku also constantly surpassed his limits and progressively got stronger throughout the ToP, to the point that even in SSB he managed to get Jiren even more fired up than when he fought him earlier using UI Sign.