Ticking Time Bombs of Krakoa

[Ambaryerno]

Another one of these threads? The level of trauma X-men fans collectively share is evidenced by our inability to just let a paradigm shift for our benefit. It’s o.k. Building a nation is supposed to be a long complicated messy affair. We don’t always have to look towards immediate demise. Hugz.

Anyone who thinks Krakoa is going to be a long-term status quo is fooling themselves. Eventually it's going to go the same way as Utopia, and the X-Men will be back in Westchester.

[HomoSuperior]

Chimera for one is gonna be a problem.

But why? Sure, Sinister in general is a trouble maker. But what’s the big deal about Chimera? How are they any different than secondary mutations? How do they violate Krakoa law? Seems like it falls within the “make more mutants” mandate. And HOX/POX showed them to be heroes in the future.

Per the latest SWORD, Arakko may have a precog; that seems problematic.

[Sylarmax]

Anyone who thinks Krakoa is going to be a long-term status quo is fooling themselves. Eventually it's going to go the same way as Utopia, and the X-Men will be back in Westchester.

Agreed With this

[Zelena]

Anyone who thinks Krakoa is going to be a long-term status quo is fooling themselves. Eventually it's going to go the same way as Utopia, and the X-Men will be back in Westchester.

Who wants to read stories with no drama? Or repetitive dramas? The authors will need to brainstorm after Hickman’s run…

[Rev9]

Let’s not forget this subtle series of panels…

I've been saying this before, this panel will come back in a big way ...


Compare Xforce #2( of Craig Kyle and Chris Yost run)circa 2010 Bastion reveals
"Before our restoration .I became aware of a creature with the ability to infect and absorb organic matter converting it into sustenance or infusing it with its own sentience... Magus"

and Powers of X #4
The panel above

Seems like Magus may be a Phalanx sleeper already consuming Krakoa perhaps

[Grunty]

But why? Sure, Sinister in general is a trouble maker. But what’s the big deal about Chimera? How are they any different than secondary mutations? How do they violate Krakoa law? Seems like it falls within the “make more mutants” mandate. And HOX/POX showed them to be heroes in the future.

Per the latest SWORD, Arakko may have a precog; that seems problematic.

Chimeras are essentialy artifical made (designed, created and born) mutants, made for and reduced to the very specific purposes based on the intentions of their creators and given modified X-genes, which can have multiple "expressions" (combined aspects) of mutant powers based on the X-genes of their original "donors".

They aren't just mutant offsprings who happen to have a combination of their parents powers by chance. Or mutants who got a "random" secondary mutation unrelated to their original one. They are specifically designed and given multiple expressions of super powers for specific purposes. Otherwise what point would be there to make chimeras, instead of just relying on the natural method of letting a mutant be born, finding out what powers they have and find a role in society they are confortable in or suited for?

Someone doesn't bother to create a mutant with very specific powers for a soldier, miner or energy producers and then be okay with them becomming pacifist artists or couch potatos.

The main intention for chimera is to fullfill specific roles to a better degree than "by chance" born random mutants could. Meaning their creation will always be with the intention of creating one or more caste of mutants.
It's no different than the Replicants in Blade Runner, the Clone Army in Star Wars, what Genosha did with it's own mutant population or what the Inhumans did when they created the Alpha Primitives. Only much worse in scale and in what their creation could result in.

Because it's also the first step for mutants towards a "purpose born" based society not so different from the Children of the Vault or the Children of Tomorrow. Which means it's also a direct path towards becomming "Post Humans".

Which makes them to mutants what Nimrods are to normal humans.

So. Moraly their creation is at best troublesome at worst just wrong. Technologicaly their creation is a pandoras box, that will only result in escalation if allowed to be freely done.

That's why the chimeras are a "big deal" and a damocles sword hanging over Krakoa and it's future.

Let’s not forget this subtle series of panels…*pics*

Seems like Magus may be a Phalanx sleeper already consuming Krakoa perhaps

Thinking about this scene from another perspective.

What if this isn't Doug infesting Krakoa with the techno-organic virus via Warlock but Krakoa immitating the techno-organic nature of Warlock? Essentialy becoming a techno-organic being but on biological basis, rather than inorganic like Magus.

Which would actualy explain how Krakoa's bio-mass is suddently able to fullfill all these technological feats.

So could this be just Hickman explaining away an odditity about Krakoa's sudden super tech nature, rather than the dark forshadowing many of use read the scene as?

[Rev9]

Chimeras are essentialy artifical made (designed, created and born) mutants, made for and reduced to the very specific purposes based on the intentions of their creators and given modified X-genes, which can have multiple "expressions" (combined aspects) of mutant powers based on the X-genes of their original "donors".

They aren't just mutant offsprings who happen to have a combination of their parents powers by chance. Or mutants who got a "random" secondary mutation unrelated to their original one. They are specifically designed and given multiple expressions of super powers for specific purposes. Otherwise what point would be there to make chimeras, instead of just relying on the natural method of letting a mutant be born, finding out what powers they have and find a role in society they are confortable in or suited for?

Someone doesn't bother to create a mutant with very specific powers for a soldier, miner or energy producers and then be okay with them becomming pacifist artists or couch potatos.

The main intention for chimera is to fullfill specific roles to a better degree than "by chance" born random mutants could. Meaning their creation will always be with the intention of creating one or more caste of mutants.
It's no different than the Replicants in Blade Runner, the Clone Army in Star Wars, what Genosha did with it's own mutant population or what the Inhumans did when they created the Alpha Primitives. Only much worse in scale and in what their creation could result in.

Because it's also the first step for mutants towards a "purpose born" based society not so different from the Children of the Vault or the Children of Tomorrow. Which means it's also a direct path towards becomming "Post Humans".

Which makes them to mutants what Nimrods are to normal humans.

So. Moraly their creation is at best troublesome at worst just wrong. Technologicaly their creation is a pandoras box, that will only result in escalation if allowed to be freely done.

That's why the chimeras are a "big deal" and a damocles sword hanging over Krakoa and it's future.




Thinking about this scene from another perspective.

What if this isn't Doug infesting Krakoa with the techno-organic virus via Warlock but Krakoa immitating the techno-organic nature of Warlock? Essentialy becoming a techno-organic being but on biological basis, rather than inorganic like Magus.

Which would actualy explain how Krakoa's bio-mass is suddently able to fullfill all these technological feats.

So could this be just Hickman explaining away an odditity about Krakoa's sudden super tech nature, rather than the dark forshadowing many of use read the scene as?

Well it could be an avenue to explain Krakoa's quantum leap in forging a language that let's it communicate with itself through the biomass of the gates at interstellar distance, among other capabilities.However I zero in on the darker aspect because a) Phalanx and Strongholds/Dominions seem to be built up as big planetary and cosmic threats b) the whole Bei marriage coming between Doug and Magus with Magus being shown as an outsider with less ties to his 'soul friend' may be a primer to turn Magus against mutantdom in pursuit of his primary directives to prepare the planet for Phalanx invasion

[Kingdom X]

Anyone who thinks Krakoa is going to be a long-term status quo is fooling themselves. Eventually it's going to go the same way as Utopia, and the X-Men will be back in Westchester.

Okay but that's just comics as a genre. If Krakoa exists from anywhere between 5-10 years that's a long-term status quo change in the comic book landscape.

Also Krakoa as it is now can definitely change post-Hickman.

[useridgoeshere]

Hickman said writers all came in immediately wanting to destroy Krakoa so I guess it's natural for fan to feel the same way. But the most popular runs of the past decade (Gillen and Bendis) were both very positive runs with wins for the X-Men and lots of fan service. Hopefully the current leaders learn from that. Duggan seems to have.

Anyone who thinks Krakoa is going to be a long-term status quo is fooling themselves. Eventually it's going to go the same way as Utopia, and the X-Men will be back in Westchester.

Sadly, they are already back in NYC and saving Westchester.

[ZephyrSurf]

But why? Sure, Sinister in general is a trouble maker. But what’s the big deal about Chimera? How are they any different than secondary mutations? How do they violate Krakoa law? Seems like it falls within the “make more mutants” mandate. And HOX/POX showed them to be heroes in the future.

Per the latest SWORD, Arakko may have a precog; that seems problematic.

I don't think Chimera are an issue because of what they are, but who has created them. Remember, in the timeline where they were properly sanctioned, a vast majority were still weapons used by Sinister against the Mutants... this scenario only makes it far more likely.

[Chris0013]

Anyone who thinks Krakoa is going to be a long-term status quo is fooling themselves. Eventually it's going to go the same way as Utopia, and the X-Men will be back in Westchester.

Agreed With this

Who wants to read stories with no drama? Or repetitive dramas? The authors will need to brainstorm after Hickman’s run…

WoTR was a point that they could have used to do something 'positive' in universe for mutants and it was squandered with Hickman's HoX/PoX nonsense. Withe the limited number of X-Men left in 616 while all the rest were in the Age of X-Man...they could have used the X-Men's actions during WoTR to swing public sentiment to a more pro-mutant stance. Have mutant facilities in Westchester and San Francisco...with a public facility in NYC like the original X-Factor building.

Instead they went even further into the 'mutants have is so bad and all humans are genocidal racists'.

[Omega Alpha]

WoTR was a point that they could have used to do something 'positive' in universe for mutants and it was squandered with Hickman's HoX/PoX nonsense. Withe the limited number of X-Men left in 616 while all the rest were in the Age of X-Man...they could have used the X-Men's actions during WoTR to swing public sentiment to a more pro-mutant stance. Have mutant facilities in Westchester and San Francisco...with a public facility in NYC like the original X-Factor building.

Instead they went even further into the 'mutants have is so bad and all humans are genocidal racists'.

You missed the point of HoX/P10 if you think it is non-sense and WotR, an already forgotten crossover not X-men related, was an oportunity to have mutants be more liked. HoX/P10 is exactly all about completely letting of the "model minority" non-sense or the "if only we do this, humans will find us OK" idea. No one should have to spend their days thinking of ways they can look nicer, otherwise they'll be murdered. Now mutantkind just exists and will do it's own thing, while also helping humans in the process.

[Chris0013]

You missed the point of HoX/P10 if you think it is non-sense and WotR, an already forgotten crossover not X-men related, was an oportunity to have mutants be more liked. HoX/P10 is exactly all about completely letting of the "model minority" non-sense or the "if only we do this, humans will find us OK" idea. No one should have to spend their days thinking of ways they can look nicer, otherwise they'll be murdered. Now mutantkind just exists and will do it's own thing, while also helping humans in the process.

All mutants have done since then with regards to human/mutant relations is create more animosity from humans and when they default back to the status quo...which they always do...they will carry all the animosity they have generated from the rest of the world. Or writers will just completely ignore it with will be worse.

Year after year...writer after writer...they have just pushed things so far in the 'all humans hate mutants' direction that it is absurd. Even though WoTR was not a 'mutant' event it could have been used by a writer to say 'we've gone so far in this direction....why not swing it back the other way for a while'. Mutants fighting to protect normal people like what happened with X-Factor during FoTM and the positive public opinion they had after sort of story line.

[JB]

All mutants have done since then with regards to human/mutant relations is create more animosity from humans and when they default back to the status quo...which they always do...they will carry all the animosity they have generated from the rest of the world. Or writers will just completely ignore it with will be worse.

Have you been reading Duggan's X-Men?

[gonnagiveittoya]

Hickman said writers all came in immediately wanting to destroy Krakoa so I guess it's natural for fan to feel the same way. But the most popular runs of the past decade (Gillen and Bendis) were both very positive runs with wins for the X-Men and lots of fan service. Hopefully the current leaders learn from that. Duggan seems to have.


Sadly, they are already back in NYC and saving Westchester.

Wait, has there been a Westchester specific thing I missed or do you mean just as in Duggans run being more back to basics