Tim Drake bisexual

[witchboy]

Was there this much complaining when Ivy, Harley, Harper, Kate, Holly and Renee Montoya all came out as gay or bi?
It's been pretty strange that most of the women in the Bat comics are gay or bi while until very recently there's been no prominent non heterosexual men.
There really is no pleasing people. If a new gay character was introduced people would say there was already too many Bat characters. There's always a reason why this isn't the right character to be LGBT, this isn't the right time.

[nightrider]

See, I'm trying not to take offense at that comment.
That ain't where I'm coming from.
I'm complaining as it simply strikes me as shock factor, not character progression.
Same with the Alan Scott retcon.
There are a number of awesome queer characters in the DCU already. If you wanna be serious, let's drag them out of mothballs and put some shine on them.
Mikaal Tomas, Tasmanian Devil, Grace Choi, Thunder, Obsidian, Ice Maiden, Pied Piper - all worth a dusting off and a higher profile.
Not shoehorning a member of the Bat family for expediency.

What do u need as character progression. Or should I ask how many issues is needed before character progression is considered sufficient. Most writers last ard 12 issues at a series, so they do not have much time to properly flesh out over 10 issues. Also, name dropping lgbtq characters isnÂ’t a reason why we canÂ’t have more lgbtq characters.

I think the answer to that question isn't a pretty one - the majority of this planet's population simply doesn't like gay people. Be their reasons cultural, religious, etc. they find our very existence offensive and disgusting. *shrug*

Sad but true, I’m guilty myself for internalized homophobia for a huge majority of my life.

[SJNeal]

Was there this much complaining when Ivy, Harley, Harper, Kate, Holly and Renee Montoya all came out as gay or bi?
It's been pretty strange that most of the women in the Bat comics are gay or bi while until very recently there's been no prominent non heterosexual men.

Lesbians = Hot

Gay men = Gross

[Ying Ko]

Hey folks, according to wikipedia: As a percentage of all US adults, 3.1% identify as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian, and 0.6% as transgender.

So how much representation is enough for you exactly? Is it when Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are all out and proud? And your communities are the only ones reading these funny books?

Serious question from a straight dude.

[Dred]

Hey folks, according to wikipedia: As a percentage of all US adults, 3.1% identify as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian, and 0.6% as transgender.

So how much representation is enough for you exactly? Is it when Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are all out and proud? And your communities are the only ones reading these funny books?

Serious question from a straight dude.

Less than 6% of characters identify as any of those things, and that percentage gets much, much, much smaller if you actually go back and include the entire history of comics.

That said that's reported data and a large amount of people who would identify as something other than straight don't want to identify otherwise in our society due to hatred and spite towards them for existing. So your numbers are necessarily smaller than they realistically are and even then they aren't representative.

Wonder Woman is bisexual, anyhow, so enjoy that one.

Serious question from a gay dude: Why are you so combative about this? How many dozens upon hundreds of straight characters do you have to represent what you like that you have to be so distinctly unpleasant whenever someone isn't straight?

[SiegePerilous02]

Hey folks, according to wikipedia: As a percentage of all US adults, 3.1% identify as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian, and 0.6% as transgender.

So how much representation is enough for you exactly? Is it when Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are all out and proud? And your communities are the only ones reading these funny books?

Serious question from a straight dude.

It's weird that people want to put a cap on queer representation in a genre that mostly revolves around muscular, handsome dudes that wear skin tight outfits that leave little to the imagination as they wrestle each other and tie each other up.

Wonder Woman is bisexual, anyhow, so enjoy that one.

Lol yeah, and I can't imagine anyone justifiably making a stink out of that one considering the origins of her creations, and the "Suffering Sappho!" exclamations.

[Ying Ko]

All I see is whataboutism. Why y'all ain't answering my question? How much is enough?

[Triniking1234]

I don’t understand one thing though, why is it that straight people cannot enjoy or read a comic about a gay character? I’ve been reading about straight characters my whole life and I have no problems with it. Does a character being different from yourself takes the enjoyment out of reading it?

People aren't gonna accept a drastic change to a favourite character overnight. Nobody got angry at Bluebird, Renee Montoya and Kate. People got mad at stuff like attempting to kill off Nightwing and Batman being a real dad.

[Dred]

All I see is whataboutism. Why y'all ain't answering my question? How much is enough?

Why entertain a faulty premise? You're acting like this is a disease that has to run its course when it's just DC, after literal decades, mildly more reflecting humanity.

[Primal Slayer]

All I see is whataboutism. Why y'all ain't answering my question? How much is enough?

It isnt enough until the Batman/Superman title features Bruce/Clark as cute boyfriends who fight crime together.

[SiegePerilous02]

All I see is whataboutism. Why y'all ain't answering my question? How much is enough?

Considering the vast majority of characters not only in mainstream comics but media as a whole are heterosexual...it's impossible to quantify "enough", but I think it's safe to say the people who are really craving more and varied representation don't see what we currently have is enough.

And anyway, yes, the premise is faulty as others have said.

[Primal Slayer]

Hey folks, according to wikipedia: As a percentage of all US adults, 3.1% identify as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian, and 0.6% as transgender.

So how much representation is enough for you exactly? Is it when Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are all out and proud? And your communities are the only ones reading these funny books?

Serious question from a straight dude.

First it's wikipedia. I could change that in a microsecond. And 2nd...do you know how many straight people are still in closet? Cause I can tell you it's WHOLE LOTTA em that likely identify as bi-sexual if it were acceptable.

[ZuLuLu]

People aren't gonna accept a drastic change to a favourite character overnight. Nobody got angry at Bluebird, Renee Montoya and Kate. People got mad at stuff like attempting to kill off Nightwing and Batman being a real dad.

This is not even true, maybe not as huge there were some complaints

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Not to get into too much debate over my views, but it is an opinion shared by many. You'all should remember that most people in the world aren't actually gay and thus probably can not relate.

It's simple comic book 101, characters people want to read about need to be at least mostly relatable. Just saying. No need to get all woke about it.

Hey folks, according to wikipedia: As a percentage of all US adults, 3.1% identify as bisexual, 1.4% as gay, 0.7% as lesbian, and 0.6% as transgender.

So how much representation is enough for you exactly? Is it when Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are all out and proud? And your communities are the only ones reading these funny books?

Serious question from a straight dude.

Okay, so according to you, being either a billionaire who can afford fancy bat-themed gadgets and ALSO a master martial artist or a Norse thunder god who wields a mystic hammer is all fine and dandy...but being LGBTQ+ is a step too far...

Honestly, that’s close-minded nonsense. Even conceding the point that people who identify as LGBTQ+ make up a minority of the U.S. population or just the comic book audience doesn't mean that they should not receive representation in this medium.

By your logic, there wouldn't be characters of color, so say goodbye to Black Panther and Black Lightning and Katana and pretty much all the nonwhite characters out there...

Also, I love how you've trotted out "when will it be enough?" argument when only ONE of FIVE Robins just happens to be bi...

[Ying Ko]

First it's wikipedia. I could change that in a microsecond. And 2nd...do you know how many straight people are still in closet? Cause I can tell you it's WHOLE LOTTA em that likely identify as bi-sexual if it were acceptable.

See I don't care about any of that and it doesn't really have anything to do with me. But I love funnybooks and I do care when this is being done to Iceman, Hercules (Gee I wonder should I start hanging out outside gay clubs to sell my old Champions issues which featured both, although they were both supposedly straight at the time), Alan Scott and Tim Drake to name a few.

Still no answer. And "faulty premise" isn't an answer at all.