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    Quote Originally Posted by staptik777 View Post
    yes if the character was being gay before
    Being a guy and kissing girls doesnt make you automatically straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ying Ko View Post
    Making established, decades old characters retroactively gay/bi/whatever out of the blue is and has always been wack, not to mention disrespectful to long time fans of said characters.

    just wooow!

    I don't think in this case DC actually cares about long time fans... Actually, they are trying to be more appealing to generation Z.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Invincible Beawulf View Post
    just wooow!

    I don't think in this case DC actually cares about long time fans... Actually, they are trying to be more appealing to generation Z.
    That's my read. Him being straight didn't help his luck in 2010s til now. The old Tim fans were burned by the Nu52 and the one's left aren't enough to support a solo or even buy the team books he was in.

    Maybe this helps him stay relevant and appearing in books. Maybe not.

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    Not to get into too much debate over my views, but it is an opinion shared by many. You'all should remember that most people in the world aren't actually gay and thus probably can not relate.

    It's simple comic book 101, characters people want to read about need to be at least mostly relatable. Just saying. No need to get all woke about it.
    Last edited by Ying Ko; 08-11-2021 at 01:04 PM. Reason: added "at least mostly" to avoid useless nitpicking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ying Ko View Post
    Not to get into too much debate over my views, but it is an opinion shared by many. You'all should remember that most people in the world aren't actually gay and thus probably can not relate.

    It's simple comic book 101, characters people want to read about need to be relatable. Just saying. No need to get all woke about it.
    I'm not a female, therefore I can't even get into a comic with a female lead? Yeah, no.

    Relationships are relationships, regardless of the sex of the people involved. 90% of the relationship problems LGBT people have are the same type hetero couples have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ying Ko View Post
    Not to get into too much debate over my views, but it is an opinion shared by many. You'all should remember that most people in the world aren't actually gay and thus probably can not relate.

    It's simple comic book 101, characters people want to read about need to be relatable. Just saying. No need to get all woke about it.
    If people only read about characters they related to personally on all levels, they'd have nothing to read.

    Batman would have no female fanbase because they aren't straight men, so why would they want to read about him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ying Ko View Post
    Not to get into too much debate over my views, but it is an opinion shared by many. You'all should remember that most people in the world aren't actually gay and thus probably can not relate.

    It's simple comic book 101, characters people want to read about need to be relatable. Just saying. No need to get all woke about it.
    So I guess BIPOC and people with disabilities are straight out of luck and have to see themselves in able-bodied straight, white people? What about women? Why do children's books have mostly...children in them?

    You can't relate to queer people? Seems like an empathy issue, and you're right, many people suffer from that deficiency.

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    I am fine with it...but to play devils advocate for a second, some people get upset about these things not because they are homophobic or racist...some just want their comics, adaptions to look and feel like they used to. I , for one, was upset that Barry Allen was not a blonde in the TV show at first. And I have brown hair as well. So it isn't that I hate blondes.

    And just because someone else mentioned it...I do not understand why some people are upset that Barbara Gordon is paired with multiple Bat characters whether it is crossed media or not.

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    Alan Scott wasn't enough? Good grief...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hol View Post
    And just because someone else mentioned it...I do not understand why some people are upset that Barbara Gordon is paired with multiple Bat characters whether it is crossed media or not.
    Because it's usually a sign that the Bat-franchise just views her as The Girl who needs to be passed around between the prominent men, whichever would result in the most popularity at any given time.

    Like she's less of a character with her own identity and a more of a prop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimbo View Post
    So I guess BIPOC and people with disabilities are straight out of luck and have to see themselves in able-bodied straight, white people? What about women? Why do children's books have mostly...children in them?

    You can't relate to queer people? Seems like an empathy issue, and you're right, many people suffer from that deficiency.
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    This is a extremely lazy form of representation on DC's part. Push Renee Montoya and Kate Kane.

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    I guess I should toss my Xena and Sailor Moon stuff cuz I'm not a queer female.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Hunter View Post
    This is a extremely lazy form of representation on DC's part. Push Renee Montoya and Kate Kane.
    Is there something wrong having queer male characters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Because it's usually a sign that the Bat-franchise just views her as The Girl who needs to be passed around between the prominent men, whichever would result in the most popularity at any given time.

    Like she's less of a character with her own identity and a more of a prop.
    I have never looked at it that way. But maybe that is because in the US there is some kind of weird taboo around sex? I don't know...it has never made me look Barbara as any different.

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