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    Quote Originally Posted by millernumber1 View Post
    I am not able to fully track down the source on this, but here ya go:

    https://twitter.com/ServantofDagon/s...52268746174466

    (going to type up the reported stuff from Cloonan):

    "Had a big long chat with Becky Cloonan about Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain. She confirmed they are, in her opinion, a queer-platonic relationship. We discussed if they should kiss - I'm a "no" and so was she. We agreed showing non-sexual romantic relationships is too important."
    If it was said on twitter or in an interview but it's not in the comic, it doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohfellow View Post
    You've written an excellent summary of the situation.
    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohfellow View Post
    Supervising editor? Do you/they mean the editor Jessica Chen? Or Ben Abernathy, who is the Bat office group editor?
    I really don't remember. Kinda want to say it was Chen, but I couldn't swear on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohfellow View Post
    I don't ship them, and would rather it be confirmed as not happening. But I see it, probably as strongly as anyone, as being written in fairly obviously. So I watch this happening with some disappointment, but it seems so obvious that I wonder if those who don't see it are in denial. (A "rejection bias" if you will.)
    Fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohfellow View Post
    DC has made major changes to Tim Drake and Jon Kent, and to the age, weight and build of Supergirl. They aren't shying away from making significant changes to younger characters.
    Sure and seeing as Cass doesn't really have a definitive love interest, giving her one now wouldn't mess up the "evergreen" aspects of the character. Thing is I'm not sure if the Powers That Be want Steph to be "available" to be Tim's love interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohfellow View Post
    I think there are several more "suggestive" moments than you cite, so I think the "evidence" is even stronger.

    In the Annual, Steph clearly starts to tell Cass "And remember, I love you", and Cass interrupts her with a loud "-- Don't." She adds "Don't talk so much." The standalone "Don't" is what someone says when they aren't ready to hear someone else say "I love you" in a romantic sense. I speculate that Cloonan and Conrad added "Don't talk so much" after that to establish their usual plausible deniability - that Cass wasn't objecting to perceived romantic content, but only to the quantity of speech. Our writers continually eat their cake and have it.

    In #12: "I can't hide anything from you, can I Cass?" "No, never." Sure, could be friends. It's not how anyone I know talks, but could be.

    In #11, Steph is jealous when Cass says Maps is fun, and Cass reassures her "You're the most fun. Always."

    In #8, Steph wraps her body around Cass as they escape the elevator. Change the angles of their faces slightly in the 2 panels, and the posture is more suggestive than merely two people kissing.

    In #7 Cass is dressed as a man, and that's the issue where Steph later says Cass always looks good.

    If this is teasing, Cloonan and Conrad have gone well beyond what's "needed", because shipping will happen even in the absence of any encouragement, let alone this amount. What they are doing is dousing speculation with fuel and lighting it on fire. It's possible they are just unsubtle writers who don't realize how blatant and over-the-top their teasing is coming across. After all, their authorial intrusions, and the editor's, show they are all fairly tone deaf - there isn't a single reader who has said they actually LIKE the banter, but there are frequent complaints by readers who don't. But they've had a full year now to just stop that juvenile narration - so, the obvious conclusion is they, oddly, think it's actually amusing.

    But let's assume among the 4 of them (Cloonan, Conrad, Chen and Abernathy) at least one is on top of things, so the writing is under control and what they are doing is deliberate. Then this is more likely to be a slow burn than an unsubtle, over-the-top, inept attempt at teasing.
    Sure. Kinda thought the elevator escape was a bit of a stretch (they need to share the cable, so it's not like there was any other way to hang on), but I can see the point.

    (I think the narration does get to be a bit much at times, but I don't have a huge issue with it. Did like the joke where they use it to censor a blue streak.)

    Quote Originally Posted by millernumber1 View Post
    I am not able to fully track down the source on this, but here ya go:

    https://twitter.com/ServantofDagon/s...52268746174466

    (going to type up the reported stuff from Cloonan):

    "Had a big long chat with Becky Cloonan about Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain. She confirmed they are, in her opinion, a queer-platonic relationship. We discussed if they should kiss - I'm a "no" and so was she. We agreed showing non-sexual romantic relationships is too important."
    Didn't see that one, but okay. Sounds like it's a "no" on a relationship upgrade. If so, really weird writing to be teasing something they decided they're not going to be delivering on. I mean, what's the point of setup with no payoff (even if it was something along the lines of "maybe there's something there that we could explore, but we shouldn't")?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe Silveira View Post
    If it was said on twitter or in an interview but it's not in the comic, it doesn't exist.
    Still, if that's the marching orders for the comic, it doesn't really matter where it came from; if the authors' were never planning to go anywhere with their shipteasing, then it's never going to happen.
    Doctor Strange: "You are the right person to replace Logan."
    X-23: "I know there are people who disapprove... Guys on the Internet mainly."
    (All-New Wolverine #4)

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