At this point, "New 52" isn't that bad at all.

[LAWtoyoto 432]

After looking at the latest solicitations, I look back all the way from "New 52". You can say all you want how bad the continuously and canon address it is but at least they really took the risk by publishing out more variety books for readership to read. From so many choices to few little options these days.

Especially from "JLD, Firestorm, JLI, Animal Man till the Question."

Guess "The end" of DC Universe is near.

[married guy]

We got:

Task Force Z
Justice League Dark
Aquaman books - including Black Manta and Aquaman/GA title
Checkmate
Lobo & Crush
Deathstroke
The Milestone titles - Icon & Rocket, Hardware, Static
Nubia & the Amazons
Swamp Thing
Nice House on the Lake
Wonder Girl

There's a few books on the schedule that are out there.
Yes, there is a metric ****-tonne of Bat-books, but there's still some diversity in the line.

[John Venus]

We wouldn't have this many Bat books if Nu52 didn't completely atomize everybody's histories and nobody could agree on which stories did and didn't happen. Batman was the only one who is semi stable (and the only one who gets any real push in outside media meaning he has a more outsized audience compared to everyone else) so more Bat books is a necessary evil until everybody else is on an even keel.

Also, like marriedguy said, there are good titles to look forward. I'm enjoying Flash for the first time in a long while and it's a good year for WW fans since we are getting WW: Black & Gold, Historia, Nubia & the Amazons plus her main title and Sensation has been solid. Plus she's one JLD.

[RobinGA]

It all happened.

[witchboy]

It all happened.

Superman's parents died before he left Smallville and are also still alive.
Lex Luthor was a teenage supervillain in and out of jail his entire life, and was also a philanthropist with a clean record as a CEO.
Wonder Woman came to Man's World with no secret identity and also came to Man's World and lived as Diana Prince for years.

This "it all happened" idea falls apart if you examine it because there's too many contradictions. I find that answer far more off putting than an honest answer that some stories are out of continuity for this reality but happened in another universe.
With this set up when I read a story I don't know the history of the characters I'm reading because they're so undefined as to be meaningless. It creates a detachment from the characters.
I think DC pushes this "it all happened" because it's easier than actually doing the work of maintaining a comprehensive continuity and that it works more or less for Batman, whose continuity is easier to reconcile because his history has been mostly kept consistent compared to other characters.

[Maxi]

Yes, it was bad. It completely destroyed an universe full of ruch lore and history without gaining anything in return. The same books could have been published without doing that.

[Maxi]

Superman's parents died before he left Smallville and are also still alive.
Lex Luthor was a teenage supervillain in and out of jail his entire life, and was also a philanthropist with a clean record as a CEO.
Wonder Woman came to Man's World with no secret identity and also came to Man's World and lived as Diana Prince for years.

This "it all happened" idea falls apart if you examine it because there's too many contradictions. I find that answer far more off putting than an honest answer that some stories are out of continuity for this reality but happened in another universe.
With this set up when I read a story I don't know the history of the characters I'm reading because they're so undefined as to be meaningless. It creates a detachment from the characters.
I think DC pushes this "it all happened" because it's easier than actually doing the work of maintaining a comprehensive continuity and that it works more or less for Batman, whose continuity is easier to reconcile because his history has been mostly kept consistent compared to other characters.

It's pretty clear to me they're writing the characters as their Pre-Flashpoint selves but with whatever developments came from the Post-Flashpoint era added. You guys expect continuity to be too specific and that just isn't possible anymore after the mess DiDio made. Infinite Frontier feels like the best compromise: It allows creators to draw from all DC history while not having to be specific about it and try to fix something that is beyond broken at this point.

[SteelisLean]

Superman from New 52 did date Diana but he died. The other Superman was in a different universe when it happened. He came to New 52s universe in Rebirth and took over for New 52 Clark. He was already married from the other timeline.

[Rightoya]

Big parts of the New 52 are still terrible.

[TheRay]

When was it ever?

[TheRay]

Task Force Z alone is phenomenal.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Hahahahahaha. Yeah...no. The New 52 was a literal dumpster fire. Yeah, there were titles for a bunch of different characters but a lot of those titles weren't at all good. Mr. Terrific, Static, Savage Hawkman, etc. were all awful and JLI and Firestorm were pretty mediocre at best if still passable.

There were a few gems from that era like Animal Man and Swamp Thing, but what good is a diverse line-up if the line-up is still bad for the most part?

It's frustrating that there are so many Batman titles, but at least the actual quality of the content that DC is putting out nowadays is head and shoulders above what they were publishing during the New 52 era.

We got:

Task Force Z
Justice League Dark
Aquaman books - including Black Manta and Aquaman/GA title
Checkmate
Lobo & Crush
Deathstroke
The Milestone titles - Icon & Rocket, Hardware, Static
Nubia & the Amazons
Swamp Thing
Nice House on the Lake
Wonder Girl

There's a few books on the schedule that are out there.
Yes, there is a metric ****-tonne of Bat-books, but there's still some diversity in the line.

Quoted for truth.

When was the last time the Wonder Woman side of the DC Universe was being given FIVE ongoing series, including an entire anthology series dedicated to her and a miniseries in Wonder Woman: Evolution? It's almost as if DC is finally giving Diana the cred she deserves.

Then we also have a Suicide Squad that's been purged of Batman characters for the most part (MAJOR FORCE!!); a Black Manta miniseries; Justice League Incarnate (with Captain Carrot on the team no less); and, a freaking HUMAN TARGET maxiseries––that's a deep cut of a character if I ever saw one.

So, yeah, there's a lot of Batman books and it's a bit frustrating...but DC is still trying new things and delivering series for some very underappreciated characters. These solicits are kind of deceptive cuz they bury the lead and all the non-Batman stuff is toward the end.

[John Venus]

DC also barely capitalized at all on Static and the other Milestone characters until very recently. Once Static's Nu52 ongoing was cancelled that was it until the most recent ongoing.

Jackson Hyde starring in his 'Aquaman: The Becoming'; a rare example of DC trying to push a character from an adaptation. DC wasn't capitalizing much on the gains made by adaptations either. No Supergirl ongoing when her show was on the air. No Black Lightning push when he got his own show. No Vixen push when she was those shows either.

[Alkaeus]

DC also barely capitalized at all on Static and the other Milestone characters until very recently. Once Static's Nu52 ongoing was cancelled that was it until the most recent ongoing.

In fairness to DC, the Milestone characters were tangled up with a legal dispute with McDuffie's widow, so they might not have been able to publish much.

[skyvolt2000]

In fairness to DC, the Milestone characters were tangled up with a legal dispute with McDuffie's widow, so they might not have been able to publish much.

That lawsuit was AFTER the comic. Years AFTER.

Static got ruined by the same editor who ruined Cyborg. Who insulted writers and was hard to work with and notice no one is trying to hire him now.

Aquaman would like to have a word with you.

At least Aquaman and WW had folks with talent that did not try to ruin them.

Yes Wonder Woman sold-that was one of the few New 52 books that had waiting lists at the libraries in my town.

There were good to decent to great books in New 52. Too bad the behind the scenes antics buried them.

Folks that sold got screwed over. JSA fans do NOT care how good I Vampire was. That was NOT JSA.

I Vampire did not have a tv show for 4 years like Static.

I Vampire did not have long runs like Tim, Conner, Bart & Wally.

For a company crying about sales-it's funny how many characters became after thoughts.