Amazing Spider-man 73 Preview, too spoilerish

[bob.schoonover]

Pretty disappointed I'm, I must say. I would like to reverse OMD more than Sins Past. Why? Frankly speaking, is this run was about Gwen? No, it started with Peter and Mary Jane getting back together, with beautiful opening scene copied from the great Spectacular Spider-Man Annual. Gwen is dead and God bless her soul, but Peter and MJ are living and they should be the heart of this story. It was even suggested that Kindred appeared because they rekindled their relationship. What about the possession of the Order of the Web members? Why Doctor Strange sensed Kindred as a demon? He and Spider-Man were fighting possessed Silk in Strange's magic mansion! So this was all a mystification created by AI Harry Osborn, Chameleon and Mysterio and they even managed to fool the Sorcerer Supreme? Or maybe there are three Kindreds? One is supernatural (who, pre-OMD Harry?), the others are the twins, normal humans, so they need Chameleon serum to change their appearance and they decided to join forces to gain revenge on Norman and Peter. And the best part - Spider-Man cannot be married because marriage ages him, but he can be a father to full-grown twins (by genetic experimentation, but biologically speaking he is is their father) and it doesn't age him! Thinking that all this run was about proving that Gwen (now a dead character) and Norman didn't sleep together (is is really more important than reversing the story, where the eponymous hero makes a deal with the devil, sacrificing his marriage, his responsibility and image in the eyes of the readers) is a very big disappointment for me.

spoilers:

I don't think addressing Sins Past obviously means OMD can't be addressed, too. If Mephisto is supposed to have Harry's soul (from Norman's deal), he may ultimately have influence over AI Harry. I'm inclined to think the 4chan leaks are true (from a certain point of view) right now - e.g. the person who leaked heard something second hand and missed out on a bunch of details (and the Brevoort/Spencer stuff is so asinine that it seems like the person that provided the details had an ax to grind). So the physical manifestations of Kindred have been largely the twins using various practical effects from Mysterio, but AI Harry is the mastermind (possibly in concert with Mephisto?) and there are still some vague, metaphysical aspects of the story.

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[Dzika_Sowa]

This is getting bad, like real bad. Do I want a Sins Past retcon? Yeah I do. But this stinks of editorial meddling, it's like everything we were led to believe was a one big lie. I don't believe this is Spencer's original idea.

I hope there's more to this story, there's a whole Strange/Mephisto subplot.

[HypnoHustler]

spoilers:

I don't think addressing Sins Past obviously means OMD can't be addressed, too. If Mephisto is supposed to have Harry's soul (from Norman's deal), he may ultimately have influence over AI Harry. I'm inclined to think the 4chan leaks are true (from a certain point of view) right now - e.g. the person who leaked heard something second hand and missed out on a bunch of details (and the Brevoort/Spencer stuff is so asinine that it seems like the person that provided the details had an ax to grind). So the physical manifestations of Kindred have been largely the twins using various practical effects from Mysterio, but AI Harry is the mastermind (possibly in concert with Mephisto?) and there are still some vague, metaphysical aspects of the story.

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I don’t know… it’s a lot of story to cover in two 20 page comics, especially for a writer whose main failing is his inability to pace a story.

[Spiderfan001]

I don’t know… it’s a lot of story to cover in two 20 page comics, especially for a writer whose main failing is his inability to pace a story.

You do know the last issue is a 96 page Ultra Sized, right?

[Dawidos]

This is getting bad, like real bad. Do I want a Sins Past retcon? Yeah I do. But this stinks of editorial meddling, it's like everything we were led to believe was a one big lie. I don't believe this is Spencer's original idea.

I hope there's more to this story, there's a whole Strange/Mephisto subplot.

And that is also very "good". We have the Sorcerer Supreme who visited the devil but didn't think that it was a good idea to have a serious talk with Spider-Man, to tell him - man, you have corrupted soul, you made some kind a deal, Mephisto is involved, we must thinkg something together to fix this. But he gambled with the devil in his casino, he asked him about Peter's soul but the devil decided to go away, saying some cryptic messages. I'm sure now that OMD subplot ended on this ridiculous scene from Sinister War #4. Ladies and gentlemen, case closed!

[bob.schoonover]

I don’t know… it’s a lot of story to cover in two 20 page comics, especially for a writer whose main failing is his inability to pace a story.

I will not argue about Spencer's pacing, but I will say ASM 74 is triple or quadruple size, so it's at least feasible

[Spiderfan001]

Pretty disappointed I'm, I must say. I would like to reverse OMD more than Sins Past. Why? Frankly speaking, is this run was about Gwen? No, it started with Peter and Mary Jane getting back together, with beautiful opening scene copied from the great Spectacular Spider-Man Annual. Gwen is dead and God bless her soul, but Peter and MJ are living and they should be the heart of this story. It was even suggested that Kindred appeared because they rekindled their relationship. What about the possession of the Order of the Web members? Why Doctor Strange sensed Kindred as a demon? He and Spider-Man were fighting possessed Silk in Strange's magic mansion! So this was all a mystification created by AI Harry Osborn, Chameleon and Mysterio and they even managed to fool the Sorcerer Supreme? Or maybe there are three Kindreds? One is supernatural (who, pre-OMD Harry?), the others are the twins, normal humans, so they need Chameleon serum to change their appearance and they decided to join forces to gain revenge on Norman and Peter. And the best part - Spider-Man cannot be married because marriage ages him, but he can be a father to full-grown twins (by genetic experimentation, but biologically speaking he is is their father) and it doesn't age him! Thinking that all this run was about proving that Gwen (now a dead character) and Norman didn't sleep together (is is really more important than reversing the story, where the eponymous hero makes a deal with the devil, sacrificing his marriage, his responsibility and image in the eyes of the readers) is a very big disappointment for me.

Sins Past can be retconned, OMD can't be.
OMD can be addressed in this run ending or the next one.MJ and strange are aware of it, and they might have missed out on details.
Sins Past affair being retconned is a big deal and saves gwen's character.MJ has already been saved and will be made aware of OMD acc. to this leak.
Next run after beyond(should have been right after this but f*cking Marvel) is gonna deal w/ the aftermath.

[Spiderfan001]

I will not argue about Spencer's pacing, but I will say ASM 74 is triple or quadruple size, so it's at least feasible

Yup, 96 pages.
Also the end is gonna be big things and the next team was supposed to deal w/ aftermath.
Marvel f*cked up w/Beyond but the writer after is gonna take the aftermath and deal w/ consequences of OMD being made aware.

[IamnotJudasTraveller]

Pretty disappointed I'm, I must say. I would like to reverse OMD more than Sins Past. Why? Frankly speaking, is this run was about Gwen? No, it started with Peter and Mary Jane getting back together, with beautiful opening scene copied from the great Spectacular Spider-Man Annual. Gwen is dead and God bless her soul, but Peter and MJ are living and they should be the heart of this story. It was even suggested that Kindred appeared because they rekindled their relationship. What about the possession of the Order of the Web members? Why Doctor Strange sensed Kindred as a demon? He and Spider-Man were fighting possessed Silk in Strange's magic mansion! So this was all a mystification created by AI Harry Osborn, Chameleon and Mysterio and they even managed to fool the Sorcerer Supreme? Or maybe there are three Kindreds? One is supernatural (who, pre-OMD Harry?), the others are the twins, normal humans, so they need Chameleon serum to change their appearance and they decided to join forces to gain revenge on Norman and Peter. And the best part - Spider-Man cannot be married because marriage ages him, but he can be a father to full-grown twins (by genetic experimentation, but biologically speaking he is is their father) and it doesn't age him! Thinking that all this run was about proving that Gwen (now a dead character) and Norman didn't sleep together (is is really more important than reversing the story, where the eponymous hero makes a deal with the devil, sacrificing his marriage, his responsibility and image in the eyes of the readers) is a very big disappointment for me.

This doesn't prove the 4chan leaks true, though.
In them they say Norman created the twins exactly to mess around with Peter, but these pages seem to point to the opposite. Harry's literally saying he had to fool Norman about the children, and Norman himself is surprised he's not the parent.

[Webhead]

spoilers:

I don't think addressing Sins Past obviously means OMD can't be addressed, too. If Mephisto is supposed to have Harry's soul (from Norman's deal), he may ultimately have influence over AI Harry. I'm inclined to think the 4chan leaks are true (from a certain point of view) right now - e.g. the person who leaked heard something second hand and missed out on a bunch of details (and the Brevoort/Spencer stuff is so asinine that it seems like the person that provided the details had an ax to grind). So the physical manifestations of Kindred have been largely the twins using various practical effects from Mysterio, but AI Harry is the mastermind (possibly in concert with Mephisto?) and there are still some vague, metaphysical aspects of the story.

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spoilers:

It's not impossible for OMD to make it into the conclusion, but really unlikely at this point. If I'm holding out hope, it's just because there's absolutely no sin on Peter's part in this mess engineered by AI Harry. Best case scenario is a cliffhanger where Peter says "I remember...", cut to credits.

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[Dawidos]

I'm wondering why in the preview Kindred says that memories will come flooding down to Peter when he enters the mansion in Paris.

[PanicPixieDreamGirl]

I'm gonna throw it out there that Gabriel and Sarah (the ones we know, at least) were Life Model Decoys. There must be some reason that plot was called back to, right?

[NC_Yankee]

This is getting bad, like real bad. Do I want a Sins Past retcon? Yeah I do. But this stinks of editorial meddling, it's like everything we were led to believe was a one big lie. I don't believe this is Spencer's original idea.

I hope there's more to this story, there's a whole Strange/Mephisto subplot.

I know damn well Spencer knows his history ( see the editorial change of Sins Past from Peter to Norman for good or bad) so I cannot see him allowing editorial to change things). But even if they did he does not get off the hook. Why? Kindred should have been finished 2 years ago and he said “I know the beginning, middle and end of the story.”

[bob.schoonover]

I'm gonna throw it out there that Gabriel and Sarah (the ones we know, at least) were Life Model Decoys. There must be some reason that plot was called back to, right?

Probably faking the resurrections of Sin Eater and The Rose, but that's a bit of a wild guess

[Dawidos]

The Rose's resurrection is not due to Kindred powers. The Tablet of Life and Destiny brought Kingpin's son back. This plot point is resolved. But what about Sin-Eater? He was resurrected twice, second one as a zombie. His hands were destroyed by Spider-Man in Sinister War and there was no indication he is a life decoy model. Besides, Doc Ock took a centipede from his brain, so why would Kindred put a bug in Stan Carter if he was a robot? And the next question - how can Baron Mordo be needed to torture a demon if he is not a real demon, but let's say Gabriel Stacy who pose as a demon with special effects and Mysterio's illusion. Mordo put a lot of effort to break Kindred by dark magic, which would be pretty easy if Kindred was just a regular man with split personality and gadgets to imitate superpowers