Why Spider-man is not a legacy character

[Spiderfan001]

For Spider-man not being a legacy I found a great post and it's recent.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTXtZGOPRVM/

Also check out for further explanation

https://www.instagram.com/stories/gr...6448323511159/

Not saying it's right but it makes a good point and why other Spiders are less compelling than Peter as Spider-man.

[Spider-Ham]

I really don’t agree with the explanation in the first link but, yeah, the whole “anyone can wear the mask” is a problem.

Not anyone can or should wear the mask. Spider-Man is an identity tied to the tragedies Peter experienced, this not something you can or should share.

That being said I love Mayday in the MC2 and Miguel in 2099.

Spider-Gwen was a fun experience but she should have stayed on Earth-65. Same for Miles with 1610.

Don’t know what to think about the other Spider-Girl/Woman or clones like Ben and Kaine. I guess they’re fine as long as they stay in a specific corner of 616.

[Spiderfan001]

I really don’t agree with the explanation in the first link but, yeah, the whole “anyone can wear the mask” is a problem.

Not anyone can or should wear the mask. Spider-Man is an identity tied to the tragedies Peter experienced, this not something you can or should share.

That being said I love Mayday in the MC2 and Miguel in 2099.

Spider-Gwen was a fun experience but she should have stayed on Earth-65. Same for Miles with 1610.

Don’t know what to think about the other Spider-Girl/Woman or clones like Ben and Kaine. I guess they’re fine as long as they stay in a specific corner of 616.

Read my mind.

I do think Mayday is the legacy(Peter's inclusion really makes the difference, I don't much care if the og is in legacy for any other character but Spidey needs it) if there is one and then Miguel's take on Spider-man makes sense in the distant future.

Miles and Gwen should be in their universes.

I say 1-2 or max 3 should be around in their corners, rest are just ignored so make a major story for them to give them a proper send-off.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Spider-Man is an identity tied to the tragedies Peter experienced, this not something you can or should share.

I wouldn't say that. Spider-Man represents the best aspects of Peter Parker, and Peter's tragedies are down to him being Peter Parker.

Remember the only chance Peter had to save Uncle Ben was as Spider-Man and his refusal to be a superhero was what led to Ben's death.



Anyway, at this point, it's useless to close the barn door after the horse is bolted. Whether Spider-Man should be a legacy is irrelevant from the fact that he is one.

Get used to it.

[Frontier]

Miles Morales literally said in the Generations issue that Spider-man is Peter Parker's pain.

[Huntsman Spider]

I would regard it as somewhat similar to Batman over at DC, in that Spider-Man also started off as an outgrowth of the specific trauma of the specific man behind the mask, but grew into a genuinely heroic, inspiring model for others to follow and even emulate in spite of --- and maybe because of --- whatever flaws and failings the man behind the mask had. To me, Spider-Man having a successor, whether one of his grown-up children in the future or just someone inspired by his example, isn't something to be taken as a slight to his character, but a sign of how much positive impact he's had on the world he inhabits.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I would regard it as somewhat similar to Batman over at DC, in that Spider-Man also started off as an outgrowth of the specific trauma of the specific man behind the mask, but grew into a genuinely heroic, inspiring model for others to follow and even emulate in spite of --- and maybe because of --- whatever flaws and failings the man behind the mask had. To me, Spider-Man having a successor, whether one of his grown-up children in the future or just someone inspired by his example, isn't something to be taken as a slight to his character, but a sign of how much positive impact he's had on the world he inhabits.

Exactly.

I mean think of "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man" who adulated Spider-Man and even after hearing from Peter his motivations for being Spider-Man, still sees him as his hero.

Miles Morales literally said in the Generations issue that Spider-man is Peter Parker's pain.

That might be how it's written there and it might be how Peter feels or readers or others feel, but feelings are one thing, the truth is another.

[FeliciaSpidey]

I just hope they can give Miles his own name and distinguish him from Peter. Instead of treating them like one person.

[Kaitou D. Kid]

Can we please stick to one thread about the whole legacy theme? I swear there are like five.

I would regard it as somewhat similar to Batman over at DC, in that Spider-Man also started off as an outgrowth of the specific trauma of the specific man behind the mask, but grew into a genuinely heroic, inspiring model for others to follow and even emulate in spite of --- and maybe because of --- whatever flaws and failings the man behind the mask had. To me, Spider-Man having a successor, whether one of his grown-up children in the future or just someone inspired by his example, isn't something to be taken as a slight to his character, but a sign of how much positive impact he's had on the world he inhabits.

In addition to this, I also think it's great and important that most of Peter's legacy characters never made the same mistake he did when he first got his powers. That shows the positive impact that Peter had on the world.

[Krakoa]

I really don’t agree with the explanation in the first link but, yeah, the whole “anyone can wear the mask” is a problem.

Not anyone can or should wear the mask. Spider-Man is an identity tied to the tragedies Peter experienced, this not something you can or should share.

That being said I love Mayday in the MC2 and Miguel in 2099.

Spider-Gwen was a fun experience but she should have stayed on Earth-65. Same for Miles with 1610.

Don’t know what to think about the other Spider-Girl/Woman or clones like Ben and Kaine. I guess they’re fine as long as they stay in a specific corner of 616.

For the most part, the other Spider-Girls and Women are just unrelated characters, excluding Mattie Franklin who's not around anymore anyways. Jessica Drew, Julia Carpenter, and Anya Corazon have pretty much always been separate before being tied back into Peter later on, and are good characters on their own.

[Spiderfan001]

For the most part, the other Spider-Girls and Women are just unrelated characters, excluding Mattie Franklin who's not around anymore anyways. Jessica Drew, Julia Carpenter, and Anya Corazon have pretty much always been separate before being tied back into Peter later on, and are good characters on their own.

Agreed.But they shouldn't be part of Spider-verse stuff then.Julia makes sense, she is madame web.
Anya is in a weird place for me, they pushed her big.Gave her the iconic costume but she's never picked up.

[Vegeta]

Honestly, legacy heroes never made a whole lot of sense to me in the first place. Most people want to establish their own identity, and in today's culture with social media people more than ever are obsessed with their persona as part of their "brand."

Granted certain do characters make sense. Captain America is an Uber patriot identity created by the U.S. government. He is propaganda. (This is not a dig at Steve Rogers or anyone else that held the shield, FYI. I like Steve, Sam and Bucky.) The U.S. government can (and has) passed the mantle onto anyone they see fit for the role. (Ie: John Walker)
Any hero that has a consistant sidekick. It makes sense that said sidekick is training to take over the mantle. Otherwise, you're just needlessly endangering a minor. ie: Dick Grayson becoming Batman.
The superhero has a son or daughter who feels obligated to carry on the family legacy (had to have a great relationship with hero parent though, not one filled with resent. Ie: Mayday Parker, Spider-Girl.) I really wish Wolverine and X-23 spent more time on panel together, because Laura taking on the Wolverine mantle just feels so artificial (imo.)

Any character who is received with a mixed or extremely negative public opinion however, would probably NOT be a legacy hero. Spider-man is often feared and hated by the public, and considering that in recent years he is treated as a laughingstock by the rest of the superhero community (heroes like Luke Cage, etc.) It becomes rather unbelievable that anyone would want to carry on that mantle in the 616. (The film "Into the Spiderverse" solved it by showing us the world viewed Parker as both a great hero AND a celebrity, so Miles as a legacy hero makes sense in this one instance.)

Legacy villains on the other hand, DO make sense. A lot of villains chose crime because they think robbing people is easier than using their powers legitimately. (Electro could be a self made millionaire if he used his abilities to generate electrical power for people that need it... ) But villains don't think like that, so of course they would steal another villain's gimmick and weaponry if given half a chance! (Ie: Jason Macendale killing and taking over as the new Hobgoblin, Bart Hamilton as the third Green Goblin or 3 out of the 4 Mister Fears.) Villains also have a habit of dying due to their own evil machinations, so it also makes sense that an identity would be up for grabs by lazy uncreative baddies hoping to get rich quick.

[FFJamie94]

Miles makes sense to be a Spider-man, as in the ultimate universe, Spider-man ended up being loved and missed. But I do agree, he was in a better place with the Ultimate Universe. There he was headlining that whole universe, being the front and centre. In 616, he is kind of just… there. I’ve heard his comics are good, but I feel he’ll live up to a much better publishing potential if the UU was still around.

But that’s also a tricky situation because I don’t think the Ultimate universe should return, at least not in any permanent way.
Ideally Peter would retire and train Miles, be his superhero teacher. But I wouldn’t want that either because A. I like my Peter Parker and B. It’l mean that Miles doesn’t really stand on his own.
He is an interesting character tbh, because I like having him around, but where he is at the moment isn’t really ideal. But it’s also probably the best thing for both him and the Marvel publishing line as a whole.

I guess the one solution would be to put him back in the Ultimate Universe, but have Ultimate Spider-man being the sole comic.
Or make him be a universe jumping Spider-man, where he solves the street crimes in different universe. That would be fun but also rather pointless.

I just don’t know what you can do with Miles.

[Spiderfan001]

Honestly, legacy heroes never made a whole lot of sense to me in the first place. Most people want to establish their own identity, and in today's culture with social media people more than ever are obsessed with their persona as part of their "brand."

Granted certain do characters make sense. Captain America is an Uber patriot identity created by the U.S. government. He is propaganda. (This is not a dig at Steve Rogers or anyone else that held the shield, FYI. I like Steve, Sam and Bucky.) The U.S. government can (and has) passed the mantle onto anyone they see fit for the role. (Ie: John Walker)
Any hero that has a consistant sidekick. It makes sense that said sidekick is training to take over the mantle. Otherwise, you're just needlessly endangering a minor. ie: Dick Grayson becoming Batman.
The superhero has a son or daughter who feels obligated to carry on the family legacy (had to have a great relationship with hero parent though, not one filled with resent. Ie: Mayday Parker, Spider-Girl.) I really wish Wolverine and X-23 spent more time on panel together, because Laura taking on the Wolverine mantle just feels so artificial (imo.)

Any character who is received with a mixed or extremely negative public opinion however, would probably NOT be a legacy hero. Spider-man is often feared and hated by the public, and considering that in recent years he is treated as a laughingstock by the rest of the superhero community (heroes like Luke Cage, etc.) It becomes rather unbelievable that anyone would want to carry on that mantle in the 616. (The film "Into the Spiderverse" solved it by showing us the world viewed Parker as both a great hero AND a celebrity, so Miles as a legacy hero makes sense in this one instance.)

Legacy villains on the other hand, DO make sense. A lot of villains chose crime because they think robbing people is easier than using their powers legitimately. (Electro could be a self made millionaire if he used his abilities to generate electrical power for people that need it... ) But villains don't think like that, so of course they would steal another villain's gimmick and weaponry if given half a chance! (Ie: Jason Macendale killing and taking over as the new Hobgoblin, Bart Hamilton as the third Green Goblin or 3 out of the 4 Mister Fears.) Villains also have a habit of dying due to their own evil machinations, so it also makes sense that an identity would be up for grabs by lazy uncreative baddies hoping to get rich quick.

Man facts being spoken.read my mind.

Captain America is a title, that makes sense.
Miles made sense in UU because Spidey's death left a void which he was trying to fill, but in 616 he should make his own thing.
Grow up, step out of the Spider-man mask, discover himself and who he wants to be and most importantly be his own hero.

[Darthfury78]

Agreed.But they shouldn't be part of Spider-verse stuff then.Julia makes sense, she is madame web.
Anya is in a weird place for me, they pushed her big.Gave her the iconic costume but she's never picked up.

Jessica Drew should become part of the Spider-Family, as well as Black Widow. While they do not have to share the same origin as Peter, they can come in as reoccurring guests in his world and vice versa. There are a lot of storyline development between Jessica and Natasha in Peter's world. Having Parker make Spider-Tech for Jessica and Natasha would open doors to stories that has yet to be tapped..