Scarlet Witch Appreciation

[Johnrevenge]

For all we know Natalia and Magda are the same person and Magneto could still be their father. What we've seen in this origin is that they are reconciling different aspects of the twins origin story. The Maximoffs turn out to be their aunt and uncle (not biological parents). Natalia is the mom and for years occasionally Wanda would say there was magic on her mother's side of the family. So now we'll need to see who they say is the father. Oh and this origin says the High Evolutionary didn't give them their powers, he was seeking infants with LATENT abilities (this basically says they are mutants again).

If they were mutants, they would be dying because of the Terrigen Mist (in Uncanny Avengers, Pietro was in contact with the T-mist in the first arc and wasn't affected by it). So luckily they aren't the kids of Magneto (I'm one of the few that didn't like the retcon of them being child of Magneto).

[WallStreeter]

If they were mutants, they would be dying because of the Terrigen Mist (in Uncanny Avengers, Pietro was in contact with the T-mist in the first arc and wasn't affected by it). So luckily they aren't the kids of Magneto (I'm one of the few that didn't like the retcon of them being child of Magneto).

Not all mutants got sick from terrigen exposure. It had no effect on Iceman, Magik, Emma Frost and her cuckoos. Wanda and Pietro were mutants before being the children of Magneto, and we should officially find out who their father is in the next few months (which still maybe Magneto).

Come to think of it, plenty of times on panel Wanda and Pietro were confirmed to be mutants by cerebro or sentinels. Just before AvX, when Wanda's powers were reactivated the X-Men found her via cerebro.

[Johnrevenge]

Not all mutants got sick from terrigen exposure. It had no effect on Iceman, Magik, Emma Frost and her cuckoos. Wanda and Pietro were mutants before being the children of Magneto, and we should officially find out who their father is in the next few months (which still maybe Magneto).

Come to think of it, plenty of times on panel Wanda and Pietro were confirmed to be mutants by cerebro or sentinels. Just before AvX, when Wanda's powers were reactivated the X-Men found her via cerebro.

I still hope it's not Magneto, and if Wanda was a mutant, then she wouldn't have appeared in the movies of the Avengers (as FOX owns the rights of all mutants). Also according to Remender, the High Evolutionary experiments on the twins, altered them so everybody could believe they were mutants when they weren't, whic means they aren't mutants. And that it doesn't affect them at first doesn't mean that the mists will affect them later.

And in Axis, when the Scarlet Witch was evil, she casted a spell to hurt all her blood relatives and Magneto wasn't affected by it, so he is not the father.

[gurkle]

I still hope it's not Magneto, and if Wanda was a mutant, then she wouldn't have appeared in the movies of the Avengers (as FOX owns the rights of all mutants).

Whether she and Quicksilver are called mutants in the comics doesn't have anything to do with whether Fox can use them. The arrangement was that both studios could use their own versions of these characters, but Marvel/Disney could not call them "mutants" because Fox has the rights to that term as it applies to Marvel characters.

Retconning them into not being "real" mutants in the comics didn't change Fox's access to them, it doesn't even exempt them from Marvel's rule against promoting mutant characters (which is why we see Scarlet Witch in very little tie-in merchandise from Marvel). It just seems to have been an attempt to separate them from the X-characters in the comics.

[Doctor Know]

I still hope it's not Magneto, and if Wanda was a mutant, then she wouldn't have appeared in the movies of the Avengers (as FOX owns the rights of all mutants).

Since QS and SW appear on both X-Men and Avengers titles, Fox and Marvel could share the rights but not the word "mutant". Hence MCU Wanda is "enhanced". Boring.

Also according to Remender, the High Evolutionary experiments on the twins, altered them so everybody could believe they were mutants when they weren't, which means they aren't mutants. And that it doesn't affect them at first doesn't mean that the mists will affect them later.

Retcon spin, man. Like Hydra Cap, One More Day, Sins Past, Cindy Moon, Howard and Maria Stark adopting Tony and having a true born son named Arno, Amadeus Cho being Banner's friend way back when (1962?), etc. The canon can be adjusted to fit whatever agenda TPTB at present want.

And in Axis, when the Scarlet Witch was evil, she casted a spell to hurt all her blood relatives and Magneto wasn't affected by it, so he is not the father.

Which came after AvX and Uncanny Avengers. Uncanny Avengers which featured both SW and Magneto, with Wanda calling him her father several times and begrudgingly agreeing with his manner of doing things. Both Uncanny Avengers and the follow up to it, AXIS, were written by Rick Remender. It's obvious what happened between that the final issue of Uncanny Avengers and issue 7 of AXIS. New marching orders from on high.

[Digifiend]

Amadeus can't have been Bruce's friend when Hulk first appeared - he's only 19 years old and the FF debuted 14 years ago in-universe. As such, he would've been 5 years old when Bruce became the Hulk! He became Bruce's friend in his first appearance, in Amazing Fantasy volume 2 15, in a story called Mastermind Excello (that was supposed to be Amadeus's codename, it's the name of a Golden Age character). That was published in 2004, so would be 3 years ago in-universe at the most.

If you saw a teenager in Hulk stories set earlier than that, it was probably Rick Jones.

[Doctor Know]

Amadeus can't have been Bruce's friend when Hulk first appeared - he's only 19 years old and the FF debuted 14 years ago in-universe. As such, he would've been 5 years old when Bruce became the Hulk! He became Bruce's friend in his first appearance, in Amazing Fantasy volume 2 15, in a story called Mastermind Excello (that was supposed to be Amadeus's codename, it's the name of a Golden Age character). That was published in 2004, so would be 3 years ago in-universe at the most.

If you saw a teenager in Hulk stories set earlier than that, it was probably Rick Jones.

I wasn't sure when exactly Amazing Fantasy vol 2 #15 was set. I thought, at the time, they were going for a retro feel for everything. Including the timeline. Since Banner was on the run in the Midwest like he was in the old days.

The timeline which has always been screwy. I don't pay attention to it, but I do like to use Franklin Richards as the anchor for events in the MU. Franklin's last stated age was 5 (during his Bday) during Hicknman's FF run (2009-2012). He'd be 6 now, for the 8 months (Time Runs Out) prior to Secret Wars and the 8 months after Secret Wars/ANAD. And people think SW and QS can't be Magneto's kids, because Mags is connected to the Holocaust and WWII and the twins' ages wouldn't fit. And I'm like, when exactly was Franklin born? Hahaha

[leokearon]

And in Axis, when the Scarlet Witch was evil, she casted a spell to hurt all her blood relatives and Magneto wasn't affected by it, so he is not the father.

I hardly call that spell proof for a number of reason
1. Wanda has never considered Magento her dad, she even said to Pietro she doesn't recognise him as her dad during Busiek's run. Heck even during AXIS she asked magento not to call her "his daughter"
2. Wanda was insane and not a skilled sorcerer so the spell probably wasn't even cast right
3. There wasn't any mention of if the spell affected Lorna, Billy or Tommy

[Wiccan]

I hardly call that spell proof for a number of reason
1. Wanda has never considered Magento her dad, she even said to Pietro she doesn't recognise him as her dad during Busiek's run. Heck even during AXIS she asked magento not to call her "his daughter"
2. Wanda was insane and not a skilled sorcerer so the spell probably wasn't even cast right
3. There wasn't any mention of if the spell affected Lorna, Billy or Tommy

Technically Billy and Tommy aren't her "blood relatives", but "soul relatives", lol.

[Johnrevenge]

I hardly call that spell proof for a number of reason
1. Wanda has never considered Magento her dad, she even said to Pietro she doesn't recognise him as her dad during Busiek's run. Heck even during AXIS she asked magento not to call her "his daughter"
2. Wanda was insane and not a skilled sorcerer so the spell probably wasn't even cast right
3. There wasn't any mention of if the spell affected Lorna, Billy or Tommy

She casted the spell as a curse towards those that share blood with her or are her relatives, no matter if she considered Magneto as her father or not (she even said it before casting the spell in Latveria).

And about Lorna, she is only daughter of Magneto, so if Magneto is not the father of Wanda and Pietro, then she wouldn't have been affected either by the spell. And Wiccan was kidnapped like the rest of the heroes during the Avengers meeting, so we didn't know if it affected him or not (and as the user Wiccan said, Billy and Tommy are some kind of "soul relatives")

[Witchfan]

According to this thread, this is how Wanda ranks among Marvel females:
http://community.comicbookresources....male-Character

FINAL RESULTS:

1. Black Widow - 195.75 Points
2. Storm - 181.95 Points
3. Jean Grey - 148.35 Points
4. Mary Jane Watson - 147.05 Points
5. Invisible Woman - 146.5 Points
6. Scarlet Witch - 134.8 Points
7. Rogue - 115.75 Points
8. Wasp - 108.5 Points
9. Mystique - 96.25 Points
10. Kitty Pryde - 96.15 Points
11. Captain Marvel - 78.2 Points
12. She-Hulk - 76.95 Points
13. Emma Frost - 65.95 Points
14. Psylocke - 61.7 Points
15. Gwen Stacy - 59.5 Points
16. Sif - 50.5 Points
17. Jubilee - 48.25 Points
18. Gamora - 46.15 Points
19. Spider-Woman - 40.15 Points
20. Hellcat - 35 Points
21. Black Cat - 34.15 Points
22. Elektra - 33.85 Points
23. Crystal - 33.6 Points
24. Mockingbird -31.45 Points
25. Medusa - 31.3 Points
26. Quake - 27.05 Points
27. X-23 - 24.75 Points
28. Peggy Carter - 22.45 Points
29. Misty Knight - 21.2 Points
30. Jessica Jones - 19.5 Points
31. White Tiger - 19 Points
32. Squirrel Girl - 14.35Points
33. Ms. Marvel - 12.05 Points

[Wiccan]

/\ Considering Mary Jane is not a hero, Wanda is on the top #5 of female heroes.

[Johnrevenge]

/\ Considering Mary Jane is not a hero, Wanda is on the top #5 of female heroes.

True, she would be in the top 5 if we don't count Mary Jane xdd

[gurkle]

Mary Jane may not technically be a superhero but she's probably more famous than any of Marvel's superheroines, so she's earned her spot on the list.

[Johnrevenge]

Mary Jane may not technically be a superhero but she's probably more famous than any of Marvel's superheroines, so she's earned her spot on the list.

True, she earned her spot for the Marvel females ranking, but if this would have been a ranking of female superheroes (not ladies of Marvel in general), then Wanda would have ended in the top 5.