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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    The Mandarin is a villain similar to the one he was meant to replace. It's not even about Annihilus not being Shang villain. He is several leagues above him. There isn't much a guy who's really good at Kung Fu can do against him.
    I mean for the purposes of this Story Anihilus isn't much different then the Dweller in Darkness. Both other dimensional tyrants with a insect army. Issue is unless they completely changed Anihilus they wouldn't have had a giant Kaiju battle at the end. Also he's a more prominent character so they probably wouldn't have wanted to kill him yet. Maybe just survive and delay him. A moral win. While with the dweller they can kill him off and no one cares. There's ain't a bigger use that people would be calling for. The only real reason I can see for not using him is.. if your planning on using him for F4 or do Avengers Anihilation at some point.

    Anyway if Antman can fight Kang I think Shang can take on Anihilus..... just saying lol (I don't think Kang is gonna the main villian defeated by Antman. I think he will just get some nMajor set up in that film. Similar to Thanos in Guardians. Except probably alot more screen time)

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    I thought the action scenes were very well done, the fight in the bus was fantastic and the only complaint I have with the scaffolding fight was the night time made it hard to see at times (or maybe that is just my tired old eyes)
    The final battle was good to, especially the father/son fight. Whatever you think of it ending with a Kaiju battle, it looked pretty good.
    Wonderful casting of two great Chinese stars with Michele Yeoh and Tony Leung.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    But this isn;t a team up movie but a solo outing. He'll need more than rings to fight against the Annihilations waves
    He doesn't have to fight Annihilus in a solo movie, though, unless Annihilus wins and then the Avengers together fight him in the next team up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Midvillian1322 View Post
    I mean for the purposes of this Story Anihilus isn't much different then the Dweller in Darkness. Both other dimensional tyrants with a insect army. Issue is unless they completely changed Anihilus they wouldn't have had a giant Kaiju battle at the end. Also he's a more prominent character so they probably wouldn't have wanted to kill him yet. Maybe just survive and delay him. A moral win. While with the dweller they can kill him off and no one cares. There's ain't a bigger use that people would be calling for. The only real reason I can see for not using him is.. if your planning on using him for F4 or do Avengers Anihilation at some point.

    Anyway if Antman can fight Kang I think Shang can take on Anihilus..... just saying lol (I don't think Kang is gonna the main villian defeated by Antman. I think he will just get some nMajor set up in that film. Similar to Thanos in Guardians. Except probably alot more screen time)
    I doubt Kang will lose to Ant-Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    He doesn't have to fight Annihilus in a solo movie, though, unless Annihilus wins and then the Avengers together fight him in the next team up.



    I doubt Kang will lose to Ant-Man
    I don't even think they will fight him. I really think he will just be behind some stuff and they will set up his character for future stuff. I also don't think Loki will fight him in season 2. I think they will be dealing with the fall out of time branching. Kang I think will be saved for an actual cross over film(Avengers,New Avengers ,or something else I don't know). Best example I can come up with is Thanos in Guardians except I think Kang will get alot of screen time in Antman 3. I just don't belive they would have Antman and his team fight him. Rumors are Corry Stall is back so I bet a variant of Yellowjacket is more likely the villian sent at them by Kang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midvillian1322 View Post
    I don't even think they will fight him. I really think he will just be behind some stuff and they will set up his character for future stuff. I also don't think Loki will fight him in season 2. I think they will be dealing with the fall out of time branching. Kang I think will be saved for an actual cross over film(Avengers,New Avengers ,or something else I don't know). Best example I can come up with is Thanos in Guardians except I think Kang will get alot of screen time in Antman 3. I just don't belive they would have Antman and his team fight him. Rumors are Corry Stall is back so I bet a variant of Yellowjacket is more likely the villian sent at them by Kang.
    Maybe Yellowjavwkt will actually be a good villain this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Maybe Yellowjavwkt will actually be a good villain this time
    That would be nice. Instead of Stall I'd rather a variant of Hank be yellow jacket(Like in What If a few weeks back). Maybe have Cross from that time line be a good guy who warns them about the crazy Hank Varient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midvillian1322 View Post
    That would be nice. Instead of Stall I'd rather a variant of Hank be yellow jacket(Like in What If a few weeks back). Maybe have Cross from that time line be a good guy who warns them about the crazy Hank Varient.
    Eh, I wouldn't mind seeing an villainous Hank variant but I'd like to see a heroic Hank in the Yellowjacket suit in the MCU at one point. I'm not against a heroic variant of Cross, though

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    Know I’m late to the game but I saw Shang-Chi yesterday and it’s legit one of my top Marvel movies. I feel like it’s been so long that Marvel launched a solo movie with little build up (BP premiered in CW and CM was teased in IW) and they really knocked it out of the park. I laughed, cried, and cheered and I can’t wait to see this world again.

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    Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Michelle Yeoh is not the only former Bond girl in the movie-Tsai Chin, who was Ling in You Only Live Twice (She helps to fake Bond's death at the beginning) and Wu in the Daniel Craig Casino Royale. Granted, she wasn't a "featured" Bond girl but kind of counts. Also technically the first Asian one (Miss Taro from Dr. No was a British actress in makeup) is Katy's grandmother.
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    Regarding Banner, I think I'll defer a bit to the comics here-when Bruce was able to retain his mind in the Hulk in the early 80's (until it started to unraval after the first Secret Wars) he was able to change between both forms, but often stayed in Hulk forms for long periods without turning to Banner. So it could be just preference. MCU Hulk doesn't quite seem to have the healing powers of his comic version anyway.

    The Professor Hulk which is often given to the Endgame Hulk in the comics stayed most in the time in the Hulk form because he was originally intended to be a merger of the three main personalities and it was believed turning back to Banner would destablize that. When he did eventually turn back to Banner, he had the mind of the Savage Hulk (Recently Ewing did this with the Joe Fixit/Gray Hulk). Later in the Paul Jenkins run it was retconned that the Professor was not a merger but created by Doc Samson to stabilize things at the time, and Banner could transform between him and Professor for a time. (It's unclear what the current status is comics-wise, Professor showed up on a cover, but currently Green Joe Fixit is the current persona)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tien Long View Post
    A couple of thoughts:

    I thought Katy firing that arrow was a little suspect as well. One day and she gets it? Interestingly enough she makes a joke about it in the movie. I think that I'll let that one slide.

    Also, here is a message that I posted in the Shang-Chi Appreciation thread:

    Well, after all has been said and done, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings has crushed Labor Day expectations with a record setting $90 million dollars:

    https://variety.com/2021/film/box-of...rd-1235057013/

    I remember when I first heard about the film. I remember saying that Shang-Chi had a huge mountain to climb. A c-list Asian character rooted in Yellow Peril and stereotypes had to prove to an audience that it was successful. It had to have great characterization while not forgoing its Kung Fu roots. And it had to endure multiple delays because of a pandemic. I said that we had to keep the deadly hands of Kung Fu crossed that it would succeed on all of those accounts.

    And it did . Critically acclaimed, financially successful, insanely popular, Shang-Chi did it all.

    Now, I can't be totally happy. I do have my critiques on the film. Yet the more I think about the film, the more I see positives. Maybe a second watch through less critical eyes, either this weekend or when the film comes out on Disney Plus, will help. But overall, the film was great. And finally, FINALLY, after all these years, I see people see the potential that I knew was in Shang-Chi.
    I am really glad you liked it!

    Just saw it today. Thought it was really well done!

    My take: You can't redeem Yellow Peril Stereo type Fu Manchu for modern movie audiences. You can't redeem his somewhat more interesting carbon copy Mandarin either.

    So they didn't try. Thank Goodness. WenWu starts out as a Warlord with a magic weapon but he is transformed by love and destroyed by romantic longing.

    If you have followed Tony Leung's career, you know that he can do romantic longing. It's practically his trademark.

    They kept the story beat of Shang being trained as a assassin and his revulsion at that fact. They just Americanized Shang and made it make sense. He had good reason to reject his past.

    My only regret is, I kinda feel bad for Iron Fist fans. That character looks to be a casualty of the power struggle between Kevin Forge and Ike Perlmutter.

    And now all of the fantasy elements that Perlmutter's Iron Fist TV show couldn't afford got put in Feige's project, and I kinda a see it like that's the end of the matter.

    Feige's MCU Shang's in the movies now has got everything that Perlmutter's Iron Fist had in the comics ( mystic background, hidden village birth place) had so Marvel Studios doesn't need the character now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Regarding Banner, I think I'll defer a bit to the comics here-when Bruce was able to retain his mind in the Hulk in the early 80's (until it started to unraval after the first Secret Wars) he was able to change between both forms, but often stayed in Hulk forms for long periods without turning to Banner. So it could be just preference. MCU Hulk doesn't quite seem to have the healing powers of his comic version anyway.

    The Professor Hulk which is often given to the Endgame Hulk in the comics stayed most in the time in the Hulk form because he was originally intended to be a merger of the three main personalities and it was believed turning back to Banner would destablize that. When he did eventually turn back to Banner, he had the mind of the Savage Hulk (Recently Ewing did this with the Joe Fixit/Gray Hulk). Later in the Paul Jenkins run it was retconned that the Professor was not a merger but created by Doc Samson to stabilize things at the time, and Banner could transform between him and Professor for a time. (It's unclear what the current status is comics-wise, Professor showed up on a cover, but currently Green Joe Fixit is the current persona)
    I don't think they are gonna keep Hulk in a sling. My guess if he will unravel at some point and the re-emergence of a less intelligent but stronger Hulk will heal his arm.

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    I've seen it last weekend and now that it sunk in I still like it but some of the things that bugged me still stand.

    The whole Trevor Slattery inclusion was unnecessary and I think they went too overboard with all those fluffy magical creatures (even if some of them are apparently based on Chinese legends like the multi-tailed fox) and especially the movie could have done without the enormous CGI fest that was almost like a Kaiju fight.

    I think the personal confrontation would have been enough.

    I really liked the action scenes (the martial art ones), the humour was generally good and the entire cast was great. Tony Leung to me was the MVP of the movie.

    Overall certainly one of the better "first volume of a hero" outings of the MCU but it did fall victim to the MCU third act CGI fest formula.

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    A couple of questions walking out of the movie I had were:

    1.) currently in the comics Shang-Chi's father is known as Zhen Zu. Was his name changed to Wenwu in the movie due to a creative decision or was it so they wouldn't have to consider paying out royalties to Ed Brubaker, who created the name?

    2.) I also noticed that Matt Fraction was thanked in the end credits. I'm going to go ahead and guess that was because Ta Lo was inspired in part by his run on Iron Fist? I don't think Fraction has ever worked on Shang-Chi before, but I could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phonogram12 View Post
    A couple of questions walking out of the movie I had were:

    1.) currently in the comics Shang-Chi's father is known as Zhen Zu. Was his name changed to Wenwu in the movie due to a creative decision or was it so they wouldn't have to consider paying out royalties to Ed Brubaker, who created the name?

    2.) I also noticed that Matt Fraction was thanked in the end credits. I'm going to go ahead and guess that was because Ta Lo was inspired in part by his run on Iron Fist? I don't think Fraction has ever worked on Shang-Chi before, but I could be wrong.
    I'm not sure I think Fraction also did some writing on The Mandarin in some Ironman comics right?

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