Are the Resurrections leading the X-Men too deeply into Black magic?

[WallStreeter]

Okay, I know they give a scientific explanation for the resurrections, but as Cerebro was modified by Forge to be able to host backups of the souls of all mutants, there’s clearly a magic element. Not too mention the way the 5 combine their powers together to make inert eggs into fully restored mutants.

I know why FCJE was done creatively, but how can this be says to be good. Mutants like Mastermind found peace in their passing. So now they are brought back into the world with the same problems they had before, unfixed. And we think this is good?

Also the resurrections are mostly done without consent. Yes, someone who died on an official Krakoa mission consent to be resurrected. Others? They did not.

I just watched What If, and the path tinto to return or talk to the dead can lead to madness or evil. Even in real life people do try Black magic to commune with lost ones, instead of accepting the loss.

[Daedra]

Okay, I know they give a scientific explanation for the resurrections, but as Cerebro was modified by Forge to be able to host backups of the souls of all mutants, there’s clearly a magic element. Not too mention the way the 5 combine their powers together to make inert eggs into fully restored mutants.

I know why FCJE was done creatively, but how can this be says to be good. Mutants like Mastermind found peace in their passing. So now they are brought back into the world with the same problems they had before, unfixed. And we think this is good?

Also the resurrections are mostly done without consent. Yes, someone who died on an official Krakoa mission consent to be resurrected. Others? They did not.

I just watched What If, and the path tinto to return or talk to the dead can lead to madness or evil. Even in real life people do try Black magic to commune with lost ones, instead of accepting the loss.

Don’t ask me, I’m crazy so magic of any type is never enough……as far as I am concerned resurrection is fun, I don’t care about consequences.

[jwatson]

Don’t ask me, I’m crazy so magic of any type is never enough……as far as I am concerned resurrection is fun, I don’t care about consequences.

I'm here. I'm glad you read first i was stuck on how to answer the question to be honest. My literal side kicked in and im just confused.

[Mercury]

Whether these resurrections could be considered "black magic," I can't say, but you do pose some interesting questions, especially regarding those mutants who didn't consent to being resurrected.

[Devaishwarya]

You can't "consent/not consent" to being resurrected if you died long before Krakoa and the RP's were created...even more so if your death was sudden and unplanned...as most mutant deaths seem to be.

Personally, I don't see a purely mystical/magical aspect to what's been going on (apart from the premise in Excalibur) so I would say "no.

[Zelena]

I think the biggest problem is narrative: it kills any kind of drama. You die: no problem, resurrection. Your loved one has died: no problem, resurrection. Your biggest enemy has died: problem, resurrection.

It moves away the X-men from humanity, namely the readers. It’s more a fantasy than it ever was. In the past, I felt close to the X-men…

[Wolverine12]

I'd need to see some sort of evidence that magic is actually being used. I'm not saying that's not a possibility especially given Excalibur's main purpose, but in terms of resurrection none of the mutants involved have historically been involved with magic afaik.

[captain Qball]

I don't think there's a magical element to it, seems more technological/psychic. Nothing says those can't manipulate souls.

Not sure what FCJE is, so I can't comment on that.

The consent issue is interesting. We haven't seen that from any post krakoan deaths. I would think it could be declared, but for anyone who died before the krakoan Era, it could be tough to call. Hope they explore that.

[Mercury]

You can't "consent/not consent" to being resurrected if you died long before Krakoa and the RP's were created...

It's called not consenting by virtue of the fact that you weren't around to be asked. It's an interesting point to bring up, especially regarding someone like Mastermind.

[Mahabash]

The narrative doesn't make sense, to me it drops all logic behind the story. I wonder who will die next

[Devaishwarya]

It's called not consenting by virtue of the fact that you weren't around to be asked. It's an interesting point to bring up, especially regarding someone like Mastermind.

Mastermind clearly doesn't seem to mind.

And so...for the sake of some moralistic realism (that no writer is interested in) all those Genoshan mutants who died during Extinction and those who died on M-Day should never be resurrected because we couldn't ask each and everyone of them if they would have consented. How, from a storytelling perspective does that even make sense?

[Frobisher]

A lot of people die with the belief that they'll be restored in a paradise anyway. The least they can do is wake people up, explain the new situation to them, and then at least they can make an informed decision whether to try it out or add their name to a "do not revive" list.

[Nazrel]

Okay, I know they give a scientific explanation for the resurrections, but as Cerebro was modified by Forge to be able to host backups of the souls of all mutants, there’s clearly a magic element. Not too mention the way the 5 combine their powers together to make inert eggs into fully restored mutants.

I know why FCJE was done creatively, but how can this be says to be good. Mutants like Mastermind found peace in their passing. So now they are brought back into the world with the same problems they had before, unfixed. And we think this is good?

Also the resurrections are mostly done without consent. Yes, someone who died on an official Krakoa mission consent to be resurrected. Others? They did not.

I just watched What If, and the path tinto to return or talk to the dead can lead to madness or evil. Even in real life people do try Black magic to commune with lost ones, instead of accepting the loss.

A backup is a just copy; if it was actual transmigration, you wouldn't need backups in the first place.

[Daedra]

Krakoans needs all the Black Magic they can get!

[Frobisher]

A backup is a just copy; if it was actual transmigration, you wouldn't need backups in the first place.

If they were just the body and mind of the mutant without a soul they would inevitably go evil like Trevor Fitzroy and Strong Guy did after Layla Miller brought them back. Clearly the answer to how it works is "It's a mutant circuit, I ain't gotta explain ****!".

Also, would just the soul without that person's memories really be them?