ASM 73 full

[Spiderfan001]

Fair warning.It's gonna hurt your head, a lot.But I think it's worth it.

I'm not spoiling it all yet but it has great retcons.It's convoluted but it's worth it.Kindred's identity is surprising well executed.It's honestly genius, it took me a minute(it was much more) to wrap my head around it but it works.

Shots fired at Slott

It seems like OMD will be addressed.MJ is told to face her sins and then it cuts to fiery stuff cleared to form an opening or something.

Also for people worried all this was to retcon Sins Past, it's not.The retcon has a bigger purpose and the affair never existing seems more like a side-effect or bonus.It's not made a big deal.It's still very much about Kindred and what I assume is OMD.

Oh and "Virtue of Hero for the Corruption of the a Soul" -Mephisto

That's all for now

[federicodettofred]

Just got it on Kindle. I'm very very very happy about the Sins Past retcon, but I'm still confused about Kindred's identity and other things. Where is Gabriel now? How did Stromm and Harry create the twins with Gwen's DNA? Who sent the sad letter Peter received in Sins Past? When did the whole hypnosis about the affair take place for Norman and MJ exactly?
I don't think issue 74 will still be about Sins Past, I just see it as a minor fix Spencer wanted to give to the fans and this is it.

[HypnoHustler]

People may be surprised by Sins Past and OMD being addressed, but can we take a moment to appreciate the fact that the Robot Parents (Life Theft/ Pursuit) are playing a big role in the plot. That is a deep cut right there!

There is one continuity error… Stromm looks like Robot Master in the flashback, but at that time he should’ve been in his Gaunt form.

[HypnoHustler]

Good issue. Still too early to say whether it contradicts those earlier 4Chan spoilers, but I think it’s pretty definitive that the OG Harry died. Impressed by how much continuity Spencer ropes in… Robot Parents, Sins Past, American Son, OMD… and except for AS, all pretty maligned stories. Impressive Spencer is trying to do this redemption tour of bad storylines. Hopefully he sticks the landing in ASM 74

The 9/11 back-up was fine I guess. Nice to see JRJr drawing Spidey again.

[Spiderfan001]

Good issue. Still too early to say whether it contradicts those earlier 4Chan spoilers, but I think it’s pretty definitive that the OG Harry died. Impressed by how much continuity Spencer ropes in… Robot Parents, Sins Past, American Son, OMD… and except for AS, all pretty maligned stories. Impressive Spencer is trying to do this redemption tour of bad storylines. Hopefully he sticks the landing in ASM 74

The 9/11 back-up was fine I guess. Nice to see JRJr drawing Spidey again.

I did like the idea that Harry stayed dead.The only thing I still don't get is how his soul came back.Maybe because of OMD.

I also do like the idea that OMD is as much as if not more MJ's sins than Peter's.Makes sense to me.

[PeterParked]

I guess this run is what happens when readers care (fixate?) more about fake biographies than being readers of a quality narrative, 3 years of mediocre stories and a convoluted mess to fix another convoluted mess that’s 20 years old and could have been just ignored for the sake of having quality stories if this medium and his followers were healthier than it is.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Good issue. Still too early to say whether it contradicts those earlier 4Chan spoilers, but I think it’s pretty definitive that the OG Harry died. Impressed by how much continuity Spencer ropes in… Robot Parents, Sins Past, American Son, OMD… and except for AS, all pretty maligned stories. Impressive Spencer is trying to do this redemption tour of bad storylines. Hopefully he sticks the landing in ASM 74

The 9/11 back-up was fine I guess. Nice to see JRJr drawing Spidey again.

I agree with this.

Seeing the internet spoilers leak on 4chan and CBR and so on kind of dampened the comics stuff but on the other hand people are really talking about this issue in a big way.

My own feelings about this comic are slightly complex:

spoilers:

My theory for a while was that Spencer was gonna nullify BND-Harry into an impostor and we got that here. So I am personally gratified and that might color my somewhat positive impression because if you have a theory and the writer validates that, you feel like cutting it slack. Continuity-wise and mechanically, Spencer has done all he can to make it so that the Sins' Past story and its aftermath, the Harry Osborn resurrection business and so on, was all addressed and stitched together. It holds together at least based on all I read. My major concern is going forward the scope of abuse introduced by Spencer's retcon is pretty great. Spencer has essentially converted Mysterio into ASM's own "Doombot". In Fantastic Four comics, whenever a writer doesn't like how Doctor Doom was handled by a previous writer or in another title, they'd make it so that Doom was a "Doombot" and that the true Doom didn't get embarrassed or had his a-- handed to him. So how long before another writer comes in and uses Mysterio to make it so that whole stories are essentially Mysterio-induced hallucinations and illusions? The way Spencer used it here, you can have a writer come in and go, "Mary Jane didn't know Peter's identity since Parallel Lives that was a Mysterio-induced hallucination" and the real MJ's personality was altered. So it's essentially a potential Doombot timebomb left behind by Spencer. Because Spencer has made it so that Mary Jane's flashback in Sins' Past was a Mysterio Memory, and that Norman's memories in BND was also a Mysterio Memory. So if Mysterio can gaslight MJ and Norman for this section, how much more time before we have writers using him to remove and restructure and reshape whole parts of Spider-Man lore? I mean some things might be worth the trade...making it so that Peter's parents being spies were Mysterio Memories and some other stuff like the Peter/Betty maybe flirtation in Wolfman's run, also a Mysterio memory...that might be worth it to some extent but the scope of abuse is likewise pretty great.

end of spoilers

Let me say that I also found this bit of dialogue from the comic a dig at Dan Slott when Mephisto says, "Stay away from the slots".

ASM #73 - Stay away from the Slots.jpg

[NC_Yankee]

I agree with this.

Seeing the internet spoilers leak on 4chan and CBR and so on kind of dampened the comics stuff but on the other hand people are really talking about this issue in a big way.

My own feelings about this comic are slightly complex:

spoilers:

My theory for a while was that Spencer was gonna nullify BND-Harry into an impostor and we got that here. So I am personally gratified and that might color my somewhat positive impression because if you have a theory and the writer validates that, you feel like cutting it slack. Continuity-wise and mechanically, Spencer has done all he can to make it so that the Sins' Past story and its aftermath, the Harry Osborn resurrection business and so on, was all addressed and stitched together. It holds together at least based on all I read. My major concern is going forward the scope of abuse introduced by Spencer's retcon is pretty great. Spencer has essentially converted Mysterio into ASM's own "Doombot". In Fantastic Four comics, whenever a writer doesn't like how Doctor Doom was handled by a previous writer or in another title, they'd make it so that Doom was a "Doombot" and that the true Doom didn't get embarrassed or had his a-- handed to him. So how long before another writer comes in and uses Mysterio to make it so that whole stories are essentially Mysterio-induced hallucinations and illusions? The way Spencer used it here, you can have a writer come in and go, "Mary Jane didn't know Peter's identity since Parallel Lives that was a Mysterio-induced hallucination" and the real MJ's personality was altered. So it's essentially a potential Doombot timebomb left behind by Spencer. Because Spencer has made it so that Mary Jane's flashback in Sins' Past was a Mysterio Memory, and that Norman's memories in BND was also a Mysterio Memory. So if Mysterio can gaslight MJ and Norman for this section, how much more time before we have writers using him to remove and restructure and reshape whole parts of Spider-Man lore? I mean some things might be worth the trade...making it so that Peter's parents being spies were Mysterio Memories and some other stuff like the Peter/Betty maybe flirtation in Wolfman's run, also a Mysterio memory...that might be worth it to some extent but the scope of abuse is likewise pretty great.

end of spoilers

Let me say that I also found this bit of dialogue from the comic a dig at Dan Slott when Mephisto says, "Stay away from the slots".

ASM #73 - Stay away from the Slots.jpg

I noticed that myself. A definite shot at Dan Slott. I am shocked editorial let that remain. I guarantee that if I am Slott I do not like it and have to wonder what my future @ Marvel is.

[IamnotJudasTraveller]

There is one continuity error… Stromm looks like Robot Master in the flashback, but at that time he should’ve been in his Gaunt form.

The PR line Marvel gave Spencer when he took over ASM was that "he read every Spider-Man book ever".

But Stromm doesn't look like Gaunt, and the literal only person who knew Stromm was alive was... Norman, which Harry just believed MIGHT come back one day. He wasn't running around unshackled, he was stuck in Europe helping the Scrier cult become more efficient.

If it wasn't just a PR line, then he did read every comic, and then he forgot stuff. Which makes it a bit of an empty boast.

[Vortex85]

So basically when Harry made Peter's robot parents to hurt Peter, he gave Norman spoilers:

Sarah and Gabriel as children

end of spoilers to mess with him the exact same way.

Except he can possess them....?

[bob.schoonover]

So basically when Harry made Peter's robot parents to hurt Peter, he gave Norman spoilers:

Sarah and Gabriel as children

end of spoilers to mess with him the exact same way.

Except he can possess them....?

That seems like the gist of it, although it's a bit unclear where DeMatteis Harry's actions end and AI Harry's begin (that is, the second thing could have been done by the AI).

As a side note, I want someone to recap ASM 74/875 (all 96 pages) and never distinguish between the various Harrys when writing it out. "Then Harry mocked Harry, while Harry pummeled Norman and ..."

[Spiderfan001]

The PR line Marvel gave Spencer when he took over ASM was that "he read every Spider-Man book ever".

But Stromm doesn't look like Gaunt, and the literal only person who knew Stromm was alive was... Norman, which Harry just believed MIGHT come back one day. He wasn't running around unshackled, he was stuck in Europe helping the Scrier cult become more efficient.

If it wasn't just a PR line, then he did read every comic, and then he forgot stuff. Which makes it a bit of an empty boast.

Spencer has been extremely through in knowing of ASM, are we really saying a minor role played by a minor character no one cares about makes it an "empty boast".
Like Messi and Ronaldo miss penalties as well, doesn't mean them being one of the best players is an "empty boast".

[IamnotJudasTraveller]

Spencer has been extremely through in knowing of ASM, are we really saying a minor role played by a minor character no one cares about makes it an "empty boast".

Yes, those were, in fact, the words I used.
It's a pretty odd move to have Stromm, who's always more renowned for his tech stuff, suddenly dabble in what for every intent and purpose seem organical, then we have Harry doing this to... stick it to his dad, but at the same time leave him gifts, because he wants to fool him into thinking he had sex with Gwen, when the AI Harry is playing his deranged side which was hellbent on restoring the family name, just so he can come back later down the line, with a timeline that does not match either the look or role of the character that even allowed this plan to take fruition?
It's 10 leaps too many to say "oh, it's okay, that's so very minor" IMO.

[Spiderfan001]

Just got it on Kindle. I'm very very very happy about the Sins Past retcon, but I'm still confused about Kindred's identity and other things. Where is Gabriel now? How did Stromm and Harry create the twins with Gwen's DNA? Who sent the sad letter Peter received in Sins Past? When did the whole hypnosis about the affair take place for Norman and MJ exactly?
I don't think issue 74 will still be about Sins Past, I just see it as a minor fix Spencer wanted to give to the fans and this is it.

I'mma try and help anyone confused here because I took so long to figure this out.I do think I get it.

1.Gabriel is the second kindred.
2.They don't say if it's w/ Norman's or Peter's DNA.I think Norman so that if he ran tests they would say they are his.Not confirmed.They failed multiple times, I think Sarah stabalized because of Peter's blood.
3.Mysetrio and Kindred could have easily faked it.I mean they also had chameleon's help.
4.MJ's was during her therapy sessions.The therapist was mysterio.
Norman's in unclear but could be anytime.Mysterio had access to his house and AI Harry's help.

The way I see it is he found a way to fit it in, but it seems far from an end goal.The retcon was done for all purposes except how disgusting the affair was, which is why most wanted it gone.I'm just glad the affair part was retconned, or re-retconned.

[federicodettofred]

I'mma try and help anyone confused here because I took so long to figure this out.I do think I get it.

1.Gabriel is the second kindred.
2.They don't say if it's w/ Norman's or Peter's DNA.I think Norman so that if he ran tests they would say they are his.Not confirmed.They failed multiple times, I think Sarah stabalized because of Peter's blood.
3.Mysetrio and Kindred could have easily faked it.I mean they also had chameleon's help.
4.MJ's was during her therapy sessions.The therapist was mysterio.
Norman's in unclear but could be anytime.Mysterio had access to his house and AI Harry's help.

The way I see it is he found a way to fit it in, but it seems far from an end goal.The retcon was done for all purposes except how disgusting the affair was, which is why most wanted it gone.I'm just glad the affair part was retconned, or re-retconned.

Maybe I'm stupid, but where is it stated there are two Kindreds? I noticed that we see Kindred with different jackets, but I'm not sure there are two of them. So is he/she a clone of the twins? I guess.
Also, I'm confused about the "mother" DNA of the twins. I mean, Peter or Norman could be the "father", but how did Stromm and Harry get Gwen's one? She was already dead by the time this was orchestrated. Did they get her corpse? (It would be the second time, dammit! )
I still think this is ALL about OMD, because the final page with Mephisto is pretty clear.