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    Default Dr Doom vs Dr Fate vs Dr Strange vs Zatanna

    An artist I follow put this one on Twitter, thought it might be fun here.

    - Dr Strange (616)
    - Dr Doom (616)
    - Dr Fate (Rebirth or most recent version)
    - Zatanna (Rebirth or most recent version)

    Modern versions of all involved. Base power levels, no special juiced states or whatever.

    Fight takes place... in a deserted downtown Dublin in Ireland.

    Which master magical (or tech) takes it in this hocus-pocus hoedown?
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    Does Rebirth include Pre-Crisis power levels as default? I get so confused. DC continuity is so frickin’ muddled.

    (I’m afraid of saying this in case they reboot again in an attempt to clarify the situation.)

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    Ehh, Zatanna’s got some pretty good feats post-Rebirth doesn’t she? Whereas it seems Drs Fate and Strange seem to vary a lot.

    https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forum...birth-2091280/

    Here’s a link that seems pretty legit as far as her newest incarnations feats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    Does Rebirth include Pre-Crisis power levels as default? I get so confused. DC continuity is so frickin’ muddled.

    (I’m afraid of saying this in case they reboot again in an attempt to clarify the situation.)
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    Current Strange is back in the area where he can, even when exhausted, give Dormammu a fight in the Earth Dimension (again, this was Strange pretty wiped out). More importantly for placing him, he seems to be roughly around the same overall power level as Clea (and that was on 'neutral' ground, so favoring neither of them). Now, Clea hasn't gone through the same 'magic keeps switching around' crap that Strange has, and - when the leader of the Dark Dimension, which she was here - is capable of beating Umar in a magical duel.

    This would tend to have me place Stephen at ROUGHLY his 'standard' Classic Strange level, maybe a little below, though without any of the absolutely bonkers stuff he came up with back then (due to this version of him not actually doing the bonkers stuff). How that ranks against the other current characters, I have no idea, other than to say I don't give an un-prepped Doom a good chance in this particular tussle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    Current Strange is back in the area where he can, even when exhausted, give Dormammu a fight in the Earth Dimension (again, this was Strange pretty wiped out). More importantly for placing him, he seems to be roughly around the same overall power level as Clea (and that was on 'neutral' ground, so favoring neither of them). Now, Clea hasn't gone through the same 'magic keeps switching around' crap that Strange has, and - when the leader of the Dark Dimension, which she was here - is capable of beating Umar in a magical duel.

    This would tend to have me place Stephen at ROUGHLY his 'standard' Classic Strange level, maybe a little below, though without any of the absolutely bonkers stuff he came up with back then (due to this version of him not actually doing the bonkers stuff). How that ranks against the other current characters, I have no idea, other than to say I don't give an un-prepped Doom a good chance in this particular tussle.
    Well, DC's Rebirth kind of went back post-Crisis standard. Currently though, everything is now considered canon (unless explicitly stated its not).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    Well, DC's Rebirth kind of went back post-Crisis standard. Currently though, everything is now considered canon (unless explicitly stated its not).
    Barring Zatana consistently pulling off planetary-level stuff, or fighting fairly evenly against casual planet-busters, I'd be somewhat iffy on her being able to take on current Strange. No-prep Doom isn't going to take on Strange either.

    No idea about Fate. His stuff is all over the place, depending on who's wearing the helmet.
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    Yeah, from what I know of Zatana, she doesn't belong in the same fight as Classic or Current Strange. Neither, as you mention, does Doom. Fate I have no earthly idea. If this was Kent Nelson, that's a different story.
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    The current Dr. Fate is a newbie. I don't know much about him (only read a few issues of him in a team book) but at first glance, I don't see him taking on Zatanna, much less Strange.

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    Soooo...based on all of the above, I'm backing Strange, who is about as close to his classic levels of power as he has been since the start of Dr. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme.
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    "...the Myths Transformed version of the legendarium, in which the Moon is Melkor's attempt to make his own Arda with blackjack and hookers." - Estrecca

    "...dropping an orca whale made of fire on your enemies is a pretty strong opening move." - Nik Hasta

    "[Kent] Nelson was nearly invariably presented as the guy who, barring the Spectre, made everyone else generally gasp and go "Doctor Fate don't shiv, he balls nasty.", even Superman." - Pendaran

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