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    Default He-Man (2021) vs She-Ra (SPOP)

    He-Man, from the new Netflix Series, takes on She-Re from her Netflix series. For fairness, we'll only be using feats from She-Ra's first season.

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    Is this Kevin Smith He-Man series or CGI children's He-Man series?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Is this Kevin Smith He-Man series or CGI children's He-Man series?
    I would think it's 3D He-Man since current He-Man has very few feats at the moment (unless we piggyback on his 80's self's feats since they're supposed to be one and the same).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Is this Kevin Smith He-Man series or CGI children's He-Man series?
    The CGI one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len Ikari145 View Post
    I would think it's 3D He-Man since current He-Man has very few feats at the moment (unless we piggyback on his 80's self's feats since they're supposed to be one and the same).
    They aren't.

    For one thing there are too many contradictions/inconsistancies. For example "The New Adventures of He-Man" was the direct sequel to the the 80's series yet that was completely forgotten.

    Also the makers of Woke-Maam do not own the rights to the Filmation series.

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    Mattel not inexplicably licensing Powerhouse to produce a series that's already produced doesn't make the new one not a sequel, nor do inconsistencies (especially not "failure to acknowledge a defunct sequel no one remembers"). The Star Wars prequels didn't stop counting the moment someone noticed that Darth switched from being a name to a prefix. The writers and basically every news source have said that it's intended as a sequel to the Filmation series. I'd probably argue against bringing that up for feats in a Rumbles context (I mean for one thing, you'd basically just be using Filmation He Man at that point), but the courts aren't in here telling anyone what is and isn't canon to Revelations.

    For that matter, even if you're arguing that, somehow, they have the license to the likenesses, the names, the old merch, and most of the story but not to the abstract concept of being a sequel, that's not even what you're responding to. Len said they're supposed to be the same, and like, they are. There was a whole interview where Smith was like "yeah this is meant to pick right up from the old series."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitVyper View Post
    Mattel not inexplicably licensing Powerhouse to produce a series that's already produced doesn't make the new one not a sequel, nor do inconsistencies (especially not "failure to acknowledge a defunct sequel no one remembers"). The Star Wars prequels didn't stop counting the moment someone noticed that Darth switched from being a name to a prefix.
    That's because there's no contradiction. All we knew in the original trilogy was that Anakin took a new name when he turned to the dark side. That's it. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that "Darth" was unique to him. All the prequels did was establish that others had used the name/title before he did.

    By contrast MOTU:Revelations is completely incompatible with the Filmation series.

    Quote Originally Posted by BitVyper View Post
    The writers and basically every news source have said that it's intended as a sequel to the Filmation series.
    Which was shown to be a lie.

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    Len said they're supposed to be the same, and like, they are.
    No they aren't. Not even remotely.

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    There was a whole interview where Smith was like "yeah this is meant to pick right up from the old series."
    Which was a lie. Smith also said in an interview that he hated Masters of the Universe as a kid, then in a later interview he claimed he was a huge MOTU fan as a kid. Everything he says should be ignored because he is a proven liar.

    Want proof that MOTU:Revelation is not a sequel? Right here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Ylmihz6Bo

    If you're unable to watch, basically in the Filmation series Orko was an excellent wizard on Trolla. His magic just didn't work properly on Eternia because Trolla is in another dimension. MOTU:Revalation claims that he was always bad at magic. Therefore there is no way it can be a sequel to the Filmation series. Plus the zillions of other contradictions.

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    But then I'm somehow detecting a bias here.
    No bias. Just truth. If you like it fine. Whatever makes you happy. But it is woke as heck.

    But it's a moot point anyway since Jcogginsa specified that this is the CGI one, not MOTU:Revelation. Let's drop this before the thread goes further off-topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hareluyafan1 View Post
    Want proof that MOTU:Revelation is not a sequel? Right here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Ylmihz6Bo
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    That looks like one of those red-pill complain about modern media channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightoya View Post
    That looks like one of those red-pill complain about modern media channels.
    It isn't. It's an excellent channel that reviews shows/comics/movies fairly based upon their content. They've given good reviews to Hilda, Luca, Green Eggs and Ham etc.

    And besides even if it had been "one of those red-pill complain about modern media channels," so what? Truth is truth whether it's stated by a sage or an idiot, by a king or a peasant. Read "The Emperor's New Clothes."

    As I said:

    "If you're unable to watch, basically in the Filmation series Orko was an excellent wizard on Trolla. His magic just didn't work properly on Eternia because Trolla is in another dimension. MOTU:Revalation claims that he was always bad at magic."

    That is from the actual episode. Regardless of personal feelings that is what is stated in the show itself and it proves that MOTU: Revelation is a separate continuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hareluyafan1 View Post
    As I said:

    "If you're unable to watch, basically in the Filmation series Orko was an excellent wizard on Trolla. His magic just didn't work properly on Eternia because Trolla is in another dimension. MOTU:Revalation claims that he was always bad at magic."

    That is from the actual episode. Regardless of personal feelings that is what is stated in the show itself and it proves that MOTU: Revelation is a separate continuity.
    Or it's just a retcon.

    That thing that happens in media all the time.

    Issues of continuity don't, in my experience, supersede what the rights holder says what is the canonical continuity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Or it's just a retcon.

    That thing that happens in media all the time.
    Except that it isn't.

    A retcon is a change that is done to prevent contradictions or is something that can easily be explained away. For example in the Star Wars EU novels written prior to the prequel trilogy there were references to Jedi having spouses and children. Then the prequel trilogy came along and claimed that Jedi are not supposed to have familial attachments. So it was then established in newer EU novels that the Jedi referred to in previous works (the ones with families) belonged to a splinter group that operated independantly of the main order and didn't follow the "no attachments" rule. That is a retcon.

    Or you have TESB where Obi-Wan says he was trained by Yoda and then in TPM Qui-Gon Jinn was his master. Again, no contradiction. Yoda trained him when he was a kid and then Qui-Gon took over.

    When you give a character a new backstory that is completely incompatible with their established one and no way to explain it, that is not a retcon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    Issues of continuity don't, in my experience, supersede what the rights holder says what is the canonical continuity.
    Again, they don't have the rights to the Filmation series.

    Anyway this is a moot point because this thread isn't about MOTU: R. If you want to talk about MOTU: R there's a discussion thread for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hareluyafan1 View Post
    Except that it isn't.

    A retcon is a change that is done to prevent contradictions or is something that can easily be explained away. For example in the Star Wars EU novels written prior to the sequel trilogy there were references to Jedi having spouses and children. Then the prequel trilogy came along and claimed that Jedi are not supposed to have familial attachments. So it was then established in newer EU novels that the Jedi referred to in previous works (the ones with families) belonged to a splinter group that operated independantly of the main order and didn't follow the "no attachments" rule. That is a retcon.

    Or you have TESB where Obi-Wan says he was trained by Yoda and then in TPM Qui-Gon Jinn was his master. Again, no contradiction. Yoda trained him when he was a kid and then Qui-Gon took over.

    When you give a character a new backstory that is completely incompatible with their established one and no way to explain it, that is not a retcon.
    No, it's still a retcon. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less of retcon. The term is a contraction of "retroactive continuity" as in continuity that changes what has already been established. It doesn't matter if it contradicts what came before, in fact that's kind of a hallmark of a retcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik Hasta View Post
    No, it's still a retcon. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less of retcon. The term is a contraction of "retroactive continuity" as in continuity that changes what has already been established. It doesn't matter if it contradicts what came before, in fact that's kind of a hallmark of a retcon.

    Like, have you never read a Hawkman comic?
    Nope.

    Like I said this thread isn't about MOTU: R so let's stop dragging it off-topic. If you want to talk about MOTU: R there's a discussion thread for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightoya View Post
    That looks like one of those red-pill complain about modern media channels.
    Not at all. Want proof? Here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2Mc9QPPxRA

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    Trying to get this back on track.

    What feats does the new He-man have?

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