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    what's with ASM and having three artists work on the same issue? It's annoying as hell!

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    Agreed, I think it shows a real weakness in editorial to get to the point where more than one artist is needed for a single book. It's been a problem in ASM since Ottley left and they clearly had no back up plan.

    The only times it doesn't bother me is for double or triple sizes issues or when it specifically adds to the narrative of a book, e.g. regular art for real world and a completely different style for a dream or flashback (even then I'd prefer one artist using different styles).

    It's actually a big bugbear of mine when they change the artist during an arc (e.g. parts 1-3 by one penciller then 4-5 by another). During one issue completely breaks the immersion for me.
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    Fr, was hoping it would end w/ Spencer and they would pull it together.But they went in the opposite direction and hard.
    Editorial needs to pull it together.

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    ASM has been a mess for most of this volume, with Ryan Ottley doing 3 or 4 issues in a row and then leaving for 5 or 6. It REALLY became a carousel once he left ASM for good. A lot of that has to do with the ridiculous schedule, with Nick Spencer pumping out 2 or 3 books a month (sometimes even OVERSIZED books) just to advance the numbering and meet a quota, so that ASM could hit legacy numbering with #850 and then hit it again at #900 in time to celebrate Spider-Man's 60th Anniversary. As a result, this volume of ASM has been a rushed mess of issues pumped out as fast as possible and the art AND writing have really suffered. Hopefully things will calm down some and get better and more consistent after the book finally hits the #900 mark and the big Anniversary issue has come and gone.
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    I miss Ottley, do we know why he left? He drew one of the most menacing Green Goblins, and his Kindred was nice, both creepy and Goofy looking.

    I also agree, that having rotating artists in one issue breaks the immersion. I often couldn't recognize if it's Harry or Norman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzika_Sowa View Post
    I miss Ottley, do we know why he left? He drew one of the most menacing Green Goblins, and his Kindred was nice, both creepy and Goofy looking.
    Ottley's work is fantastic.

    Bleeding Cool have him quoted as saying it was a dream of his to draw Spidey, so he did 20 issues until he was satisfied and then he wanted to move onto other projects.
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    Yeah for marvel number 1 hero they don't have consistent art that's one of my issues with this run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exile001 View Post
    Ottley's work is fantastic.

    Bleeding Cool have him quoted as saying it was a dream of his to draw Spidey, so he did 20 issues until he was satisfied and then he wanted to move onto other projects.
    Ngl atleast we got those 20.I mean I wish we got a lot more but damn those 20 issues are beautiful.

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    There are two separate topics.

    Why do we have multiple artists on the title? The main answer is that Marvel prefers to publish more issues of Amazing Spider-Man than even prolific artists can draw. I believe this is the right call.

    As for why we have multiple artists on a single issue, this is mainly because Marvel prioritizes getting books out on time over artistic unity.

    There are likely ways to have this work out better, although those require prepping in advance, which makes the series less able to adapt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    There are two separate topics.

    Why do we have multiple artists on the title? The main answer is that Marvel prefers to publish more issues of Amazing Spider-Man than even prolific artists can draw. I believe this is the right call.

    As for why we have multiple artists on a single issue, this is mainly because Marvel prioritizes getting books out on time over artistic unity.

    There are likely ways to have this work out better, although those require prepping in advance, which makes the series less able to adapt.
    I may be wrong, but when I collected in the 90s I don't recall the same problems with artists (but I could be wrong)

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    Quote Originally Posted by exile001 View Post
    Agreed, I think it shows a real weakness in editorial to get to the point where more than one artist is needed for a single book. It's been a problem in ASM since Ottley left and they clearly had no back up plan.
    Even when Ottley was around that was still happening, as early as ASM#1 vol 5 when Ramos is drawing Mysterio's trial for some reason, other issues like ASM#6 vol 5 had art switching for no real reason too.

    It mostly wasn't happening when Ottley was around, but unfortunately, still happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukmendes View Post
    Even when Ottley was around that was still happening, as early as ASM#1 vol 5 when Ramos is drawing Mysterio's trial for some reason, other issues like ASM#6 vol 5 had art switching for no real reason too.

    It mostly wasn't happening when Ottley was around, but unfortunately, still happening.
    I think with the Mysterio trial thing in #1 it worked fine cause I recall it was a backup story, I'm fine with switchups if there's a legit reason like it's a backup or is purposefully part of the story but otherwise I agree big time on the major sentiments that the inconsistent art has been a big problem for much of this run specifically.

    From the outside it just looks like editorial isn't planning things right with how it's constantly needing multiple artists for just a single issue, it's sloppy and immersion breaking. I want a single story arc to have a consistent vision, most cases it just ruins it for me. My favorite stories this run were probably most of the ones Ottley drew because he was able to do full stories to himself. Gleason's first arc got derailed midway through by bland fill-ins.

    The Spider-Verse comic being advertised as being drawn by Coipel like a big deal, then had Camuncoli drawing half of it. Wasn't a big fan of that story either but visual consistency would have helped it in my eyes, I just don't see how a story can be definitive if it's inconsistent artwise- comics are a visual medium and art shouldn't be interchangeable for a story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey_62 View Post
    I think with the Mysterio trial thing in #1 it worked fine cause I recall it was a backup story, I'm fine with switchups if there's a legit reason like it's a backup or is purposefully part of the story but otherwise I agree big time on the major sentiments that the inconsistent art has been a big problem for much of this run specifically.

    From the outside it just looks like editorial isn't planning things right with how it's constantly needing multiple artists for just a single issue, it's sloppy and immersion breaking. I want a single story arc to have a consistent vision, most cases it just ruins it for me. My favorite stories this run were probably most of the ones Ottley drew because he was able to do full stories to himself. Gleason's first arc got derailed midway through by bland fill-ins.

    The Spider-Verse comic being advertised as being drawn by Coipel like a big deal, then had Camuncoli drawing half of it. Wasn't a big fan of that story either but visual consistency would have helped it in my eyes, I just don't see how a story can be definitive if it's inconsistent artwise- comics are a visual medium and art shouldn't be interchangeable for a story.
    Last line is facts, unless art change is on purpose and to suit the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey_62 View Post
    I think with the Mysterio trial thing in #1 it worked fine cause I recall it was a backup story, I'm fine with switchups if there's a legit reason like it's a backup or is purposefully part of the story but otherwise I agree big time on the major sentiments that the inconsistent art has been a big problem for much of this run specifically.

    From the outside it just looks like editorial isn't planning things right with how it's constantly needing multiple artists for just a single issue, it's sloppy and immersion breaking. I want a single story arc to have a consistent vision, most cases it just ruins it for me. My favorite stories this run were probably most of the ones Ottley drew because he was able to do full stories to himself. Gleason's first arc got derailed midway through by bland fill-ins.

    The Spider-Verse comic being advertised as being drawn by Coipel like a big deal, then had Camuncoli drawing half of it. Wasn't a big fan of that story either but visual consistency would have helped it in my eyes, I just don't see how a story can be definitive if it's inconsistent artwise- comics are a visual medium and art shouldn't be interchangeable for a story.
    It's still odd that Mysterio's story in ASM#1 had an artist change, specially since it was rather short, it was kind of a warning of what things would be like lol.

    And yeah, the artist change within the same issue is just lame, at the very least they usually happen during scene changes but, meh, if you're calling more than one artist, should have the others mimic the main one for the sake of consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey_62 View Post
    I think with the Mysterio trial thing in #1 it worked fine cause I recall it was a backup story, I'm fine with switchups if there's a legit reason like it's a backup or is purposefully part of the story but otherwise I agree big time on the major sentiments that the inconsistent art has been a big problem for much of this run specifically.

    From the outside it just looks like editorial isn't planning things right with how it's constantly needing multiple artists for just a single issue, it's sloppy and immersion breaking. I want a single story arc to have a consistent vision, most cases it just ruins it for me. My favorite stories this run were probably most of the ones Ottley drew because he was able to do full stories to himself. Gleason's first arc got derailed midway through by bland fill-ins.

    The Spider-Verse comic being advertised as being drawn by Coipel like a big deal, then had Camuncoli drawing half of it. Wasn't a big fan of that story either but visual consistency would have helped it in my eyes, I just don't see how a story can be definitive if it's inconsistent artwise- comics are a visual medium and art shouldn't be interchangeable for a story.
    Visual consistency was definitely an issue in Last Remains. MJ had like two different outfits in the whole story for no conceivable reason and Jess and Anya's costumes seemed to change by the issue at times.

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