What do you think should be done with Wallace West?

[Lightning Rider]

The problem of overlapping roles and identities becomes apparent as soon as you start talking about live action adaptations. NuWally's existence almost makes it impossible for OG Wally to come into the story without acknowledging that the New 52 timeline reshuffled everything, that Barry basically lived two different lives with two different Kid Flashes. In comics thats all well and good, but how are you going to burden a movie or show with that? Are you really going to sell them as family with the same name?

[Frontier]

The problem of overlapping roles and identities becomes apparent as soon as you start talking about live action adaptations. NuWally's existence almost makes it impossible for OG Wally to come into the story without acknowledging that the New 52 timeline reshuffled everything, that Barry basically lived two different lives with two different Kid Flashes. In comics thats all well and good, but how are you going to burden a movie or show with that? Are you really going to sell them as family with the same name?

I guess it would probably lead to a lot of adaptions just combining the two unless we get a white Iris again.

[Dred]

They're not going to burden anything. All future external media adapations will be based on Wallace forever. Wally will no longer be relevant outside of callbacks to the Justice League or Young Justice shows. So they'll just call him Wally since, who cares, it's an adaptation anyhow and it's not like they're strict on perfectly recreating the source material. It'll be just like the CW show.

And frankly, that's probably going to work out better. No show is ever going to do Wally West's actual story line as The Flash. They're not going to do the entire legacy motif, the gradual coming of age that defines the character. They just want a black background character to be Kid Flash and, well, that's literally what Wallace was made to be.

[TheRay]

Mantles are terrible.
Give him his own identity.

[Rac7d*]

Mantles are terrible.
Give him his own identity.

Won’t work, mantles provides brand recognition and we’re in a culture with audience and shrinking attention span, people gloss over a speedster who isn’t flash somthing in DC. Perhaps if he had a fan base large enough but he doesn’t. The minute he stops being kid flash he will exist awkwardly untill he is phased out.

Has any hero in the last 20 years made a successful name transition? With an identity that wasn’t a mantle?

[Alan2099]

He's a redundant character and a failed attempt at a replacement.

I say stick him in a jar next to "Sexy Lobo" and leave him on the shelf for good.

[skyvolt2000]

Won’t work, mantles provides brand recognition and we’re in a culture with audience and shrinking attention span, people gloss over a speedster who isn’t flash somthing in DC. Perhaps if he had a fan base large enough but he doesn’t. The minute he stops being kid flash he will exist awkwardly untill he is phased out.

Has any hero in the last 20 years made a successful name transition? With an identity that wasn’t a mantle?

The main thing derailing Wallace is someone putting in WORK.

Dick Grayson did not fade once he became Nightwing.
Carol Danvers did not fade when she became Cap Marvel.
Jason Todd did not fade when he became Red Hood.
Bab Gordon did not fade when she stopped being Batgirl.

Why because SOMEONE did the work to keep them around.

The issue with Wallace (and mainly POC at both DC & Marvel) that person either does not exist or can't get hired.

If everybody wants Wallace gone-I am sure we can find a way to send Wallace to Dakota. Static can use a new classmate.

[lemonpeace]

He's a redundant character and a failed attempt at a replacement.

I say stick him in a jar next to "Sexy Lobo" and leave him on the shelf for good.

the irony of you making this claim while using a panel with Kyle Rayner (the dude that was created literally as a soulless corporate attempt to replace Hal Jordan) pretty much undercuts your entire point kid.

[Alan2099]

the irony of you making this claim while using a panel with Kyle Rayner (the dude that was created literally as a soulless corporate attempt to replace Hal Jordan) pretty much undercuts your entire point kid.

Nah. If they had brought Kyle in and said he was supposed to be the real Hal Jordan, you might have a point. Totally different thing than the Lobos or the Wallys.

Besides, Hal was kind of ... as boring as plywood at the time and Kyle actually had some personality, but let's not turn this into another boring Kyle vs Hal debate.

And don't call me kid.

[Primal Slayer]

the irony of you making this claim while using a panel with Kyle Rayner (the dude that was created literally as a soulless corporate attempt to replace Hal Jordan) pretty much undercuts your entire point kid.

Kyle was never meant to be Hal Jordan though. He was always Kyle. Wally was a clear reboot of Wally.

[Dred]

the irony of you making this claim while using a panel with Kyle Rayner (the dude that was created literally as a soulless corporate attempt to replace Hal Jordan) pretty much undercuts your entire point kid.

I'm generally on your side in this argument but it's pretty weird for you to use "kid" in the derogatory when they've been around here longer than you have.

The main thing derailing Wallace is someone putting in WORK.

Dick Grayson did not fade once he became Nightwing.
Carol Danvers did not fade when she became Cap Marvel.
Jason Todd did not fade when he became Red Hood.
Bab Gordon did not fade when she stopped being Batgirl.

Why because SOMEONE did the work to keep them around.

The issue with Wallace (and mainly POC at both DC & Marvel) that person either does not exist or can't get hired.

If everybody wants Wallace gone-I am sure we can find a way to send Wallace to Dakota. Static can use a new classmate.

Captain Marvel was Carol leaving behind her unique title (Miss Marvel) to take up the name of a more popular, well known hero who was her predecessor that died...in the original Captain Marvel.

I think Bat characters tend to be the only good exceptions because they're bat characters, which is why they're 3 of your examples and the other one is an argument against you in Carol.

[TheRay]

Has any hero in the last 20 years made a successful name transition? With an identity that wasn’t a mantle?

Um yeah, basically everyone has.

[Lightning Rider]

They're not going to burden anything. All future external media adapations will be based on Wallace forever. Wally will no longer be relevant outside of callbacks to the Justice League or Young Justice shows. So they'll just call him Wally since, who cares, it's an adaptation anyhow and it's not like they're strict on perfectly recreating the source material. It'll be just like the CW show.

And frankly, that's probably going to work out better. No show is ever going to do Wally West's actual story line as The Flash. They're not going to do the entire legacy motif, the gradual coming of age that defines the character. They just want a black background character to be Kid Flash and, well, that's literally what Wallace was made to be.

Yeah, who the hell wants that?

[TheRay]

Each city could have their own speedster.

[Rac7d*]

Um yeah, basically everyone has.

Like who ?