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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmiComic View Post
    Yeah. All I'm saying is Star Wars shouldn't abandon the sequel era. Being stuck in the past doesn't really allow for much progress
    I doubt the sequel era will be abandoned. Despite the many mistakes made in TLJ and TRoS, there's a lot of interesting places the setting and characters could go.

    I figure more sequel era content needs to do two things; repair the damage and disrespect done to the original cast, and rebuild the setting (government, Jedi, etc.,) while giving the sequel characters major roles in that growth.

    Those two things can often be achieved simultaneously. Just an idea, but reveal that some of Luke's students survived and have them, Rey, and Finn build a new kind of Jedi order. Maybe Poe plays a major role in building a new government. Stuff like that would not only undo some of the damage done to Luke and Leia by having their hard work continue (in new forms) but it gives the sequel cast central roles in the era and a direct hand in shaping the setting.

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    The last few issues of the Vader comics have been building on ROS's Exegol and Occhi of Bestoon's backstory a great deal.
    I know the comics will use characters from the films and shows, but how tightly connected to canon are they? If the comics say something, is that legit canon? Or is it quasi-canon, only applicable until a film contradicts it?

    I'm still wondering if Bad Batch's and Mandalorian's cloning subplots also somehow are connected to Palpatine's ressurection.
    I suspect so, but I'm not sure why an experiment in cloning would stretch forty-ish years when Palpatine had access to Kamino technology before the Old Republic even fell. Can clones use the Force in the new canon? Maybe that's the problem Palpatine was trying to overcome?
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    Regarding the canon thing, it's pretty much coordinated with Lucasfilm's story group-basically, stuff is canon unless Disney says it isn't (The LEGO stuff, Visions etc, The Old Republic MMO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Regarding the canon thing, it's pretty much coordinated with Lucasfilm's story group-basically, stuff is canon unless Disney says it isn't (The LEGO stuff, Visions etc, The Old Republic MMO).
    …Or if it gets retconned by an actual movie (see: how TLJ treated Finn and Rey’s characterization, the First Order’s entire set-up, Hux’s characterization, etc., and how TROS in turn treated TLJ).

    That’s why I’m saying that, going forward, they should keep crapping on TLJ and going more towards what worked for TFA especially and TROS incidentally.

    Finn getting more ambitious storytelling and being treated as Rey’s closest friend and only real possible romantic interest? From TFA, so it should be built on.

    Ben Solo being coddled and treated like he’s automatically sympathetic, and that Rey’s connection to him made sense in a human manner? That’s bullshit from TLJ, and should be forgotten; the Dyad poses its own problems, but at least it doesn’t pretend there’s real psychology there.

    Rey looking up to Han as her father figure, and bearing a grudge against Kylo for his death? A good thing from TFA, and arguably something that should be resurrected as an issue that Rey is dealing with now that the Dyad isn’t clouding her mind.

    Luke being useless? That’s TLJ, so screw that.

    Rose, as is, being Finn’s main companion? Already dropped for TROS… and notably easy to realize as seeing complaints more form Tran’s fans as an actress or Reylo fans suddenly scared of a single Finn again, so I’d take the character back to ground zero, and rebuild her to be everything she wasn’t in TLJ; interesting, productive, and someone worth Tran’s time as an actress.
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    The way I see it with the FO is that while the original version was with Hux's father, Sloane etc. Palpatine gained more control by somehow getting Snoke in there as his puppet, and gradually the older FO generation was killed off or displaced by Snoke and co. We see this in the Phasma novel, once Phasma comes aboard she and Hux scheme to off his father (Guy pretty much melts in a bacta tank).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    The way I see it with the FO is that while the original version was with Hux's father, Sloane etc. Palpatine gained more control by somehow getting Snoke in there as his puppet, and gradually the older FO generation was killed off or displaced by Snoke and co. We see this in the Phasma novel, once Phasma comes aboard she and Hux scheme to off his father (Guy pretty much melts in a bacta tank).
    That part was actually consistent… and like some other TLJ-adjacent material, far better than the film it was connected to.

    The part that was inconsistent was when the First Order went from being an entirely hidden force of fanatics off in the Unknown Regions to being a pseudo-Separatist movement with dozens of planets in the known Galaxy so that The Last Jedi could try and artificially beef them up so they could take over the entire Galaxy in a matter of weeks, and how Hux went from being a simple but effective no-nonsense military villain more like Piett or Tarkin to a goofball stooge, as well as the general shift from a leaner, meaner First Order into a bloated parody of the Empire’s most pathetic archetypes.

    Two of the more subtle changes that Abrams made in TROS was quietly establishing that the First Order was smaller and more desperate again, then replacing the now comical Hux with Pryde… who, much like Captain Canady from TLJ, is actually interchangeable with TFA Hux in terms fo attitude and functionality. The First Order getting reset into a smaller group was offset by the Final Order’s appearance, but at least Pryde brought back some seriousness to the military story.

    …which is again why I’d argue TLJ should be surreptitiously avoided or recontextualized to fit a better story around it, rather than have stories try to recontextualize the era to accommodate it.
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