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    Inhumans are a multi-ethnic and multi-racial fictional species in the Marvel Universe. They have several societies including Orollan, Utolan, Attilan, and more through out the Galaxy.

    They were created by Jack Kirby as an allegory of people from another culture with a scientific/religious ritual called Terrigenisis whose culture and traditions are tested when they make contact with the human world after being hidden for millennia due to human and Kree persecution.

    Attilan was one inhumans' tribe's safe havens. Their popularity comes from how this tribe's monarchy interacted with super beings of the Marvel Universe and how their society changed along the way.

    Despite being a species of thousands of multi-ethnic fictional characters, their passed storylines that tackled the issue of slavery has been misinterpreted as a promotion of it.

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    Amongst the most interesting of characters and when you consider their overall story, various members or groups of the Inhumans have had the most character evolution of nearly all Marvel's characters.
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    No they are not racist but i do wonder why a lot of their fans felt the story about the terrigen gas killing mutants was in character for them as a species. I remember being on the boards at the time and the excitement from their fans matched the x-fans excitement for krakoa. Thats not even touching on the countless killed by the forced transformations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    No they are not racist but i do wonder why a lot of their fans felt the story about the terrigen gas killing mutants was in character for them as a species. I remember being on the boards at the time and the excitement from their fans matched the x-fans excitement for krakoa. Thats not even touching on the countless killed by the forced transformations.
    I don't remember seeing the excitement. I just remember people dreading another "versus" event and having mutants die from the thing that made inhumans special.

    I think fans wanted to see the the two species work together and not see another species get sick and die.

    The inhumans went to the moon because the humans' gas was killing inhumans and it almost was a genocide. It made zero sense for them not to have empathy for something that already happened to them in the past. And it was definitely out of character. In War of Kings they wanted to make the Galaxy inhumans, so when they did it on Earth it was the 3rd time it happened/attempted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    No they are not racist but i do wonder why a lot of their fans felt the story about the terrigen gas killing mutants was in character for them as a species. I remember being on the boards at the time and the excitement from their fans matched the x-fans excitement for krakoa. Thats not even touching on the countless killed by the forced transformations.
    The Inhumans didn't want Mutants to die, unlike so many other groups who wanted to see Mutants die the Inhumans just wanted to be able to still give their people their birthright. The Royal Inhuman Diplomatic Mission helped get Mutants out of the way of the cloud, new wings of hospitals were created to help all affected by the cloud, and they were working on a cure by giving manpower, and resources, as well as locations to Beast.
    People still go on about this, that choosing powers over life makes them unforgivable, but the plot of AvX was that the Mutants wanted the Pheonix Force to come to earth even though it was destroying planets, because they think it will give them Mutants. With less proof of them being right, and not willing to work with the Avengers they seem to get a pass for this.

    Inhuman fans were not excited for Mutant deaths they were excited for Inhuman stories of the family conflicts, lore of the Kingdoms, and even more new things being developed. If the M-pox wasn't going on it wouldn't change a damn thing for their books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noek View Post
    The Inhumans didn't want Mutants to die, unlike so many other groups who wanted to see Mutants die the Inhumans just wanted to be able to still give their people their birthright. The Royal Inhuman Diplomatic Mission helped get Mutants out of the way of the cloud, new wings of hospitals were created to help all affected by the cloud, and they were working on a cure by giving manpower, and resources, as well as locations to Beast.
    People still go on about this, that choosing powers over life makes them unforgivable, but the plot of AvX was that the Mutants wanted the Pheonix Force to come to earth even though it was destroying planets, because they think it will give them Mutants. With less proof of them being right, and not willing to work with the Avengers they seem to get a pass for this.

    Inhuman fans were not excited for Mutant deaths they were excited for Inhuman stories of the family conflicts, lore of the Kingdoms, and even more new things being developed. If the M-pox wasn't going on it wouldn't change a damn thing for their books.
    Krakoa has been drawn on the carpet for being isolationist and for not letting humans on their island by some of the same people that were okay with casino stories and taking chunks of land without countries saying boo. I mean it just is what it is
    You can read the story for what it was and still not hate the inhumans.

    And the funniest part of it all is the inhumans would not exist if beast didnt create that tech that stopped kang from wiping them out in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Krakoa has been drawn on the carpet for being isolationist and for not letting humans on their island by some of the same people that were okay with casino stories and taking chunks of land without countries saying boo. I mean it just is what it is
    You can read the story for what it was and still not hate the inhumans.

    And the funniest part of it all is the inhumans would not exist if beast didnt create that tech that stopped kang from wiping them out in the past.
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    They were created as a cautionary tale of how never to be. The only times they were good were when they changed their evil ways and started to be more Western Civ enlightened human (not that I'm saying that without a huge laugh). Otherwise, they were an expression of nearly everything bad humans could do. They did eugenics, genocide, miscegenation, slavery, sexism, terrorism... and heck, monarchies, in general, are totally horrible things.

    The only way to paint anything about them in a good colour is with the few expats.

    And Lockjaw probably really was a normal guy they just treated like a mongrel. That's the kind of scum Kirby created them to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyriVerse View Post
    They were created as a cautionary tale of how never to be. The only times they were good were when they changed their evil ways and started to be more Western Civ enlightened human (not that I'm saying that without a huge laugh). Otherwise, they were an expression of nearly everything bad humans could do. They did eugenics, genocide, miscegenation, slavery, sexism, terrorism... and heck, monarchies, in general, are totally horrible things.

    The only way to paint anything about them in a good colour is with the few expats.

    And Lockjaw probably really was a normal guy they just treated like a mongrel. That's the kind of scum Kirby created them to be.
    I really want a comic about the guy who Lockjaw used to be

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    Of course the Inhumans are racist and classist.

    Two words: Alpha. Primitives.

    The best Inhuman stories are all about how messed up their racist caste system is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post
    Of course the Inhumans are racist and classist.

    Two words: Alpha. Primitives.

    The best Inhuman stories are all about how messed up their racist caste system is.
    No. The Alphas were freed and they don't have a caste system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Force de Phenix View Post
    No. The Alphas were freed and they don't have a caste system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noek View Post
    People still go on about this, that choosing powers over life makes them unforgivable, but the plot of AvX was that the Mutants wanted the Pheonix Force to come to earth even though it was destroying planets, because they think it will give them Mutants. With less proof of them being right, and not willing to work with the Avengers they seem to get a pass for this.
    This is the part I always found hilarious in the fandom.

    The X-men were right for risking the entire world so they could have powers again but as soon as the shoe was on the other foot, it flipped right over and the X-men were right for not wanting their lives risked so somebody else could have powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyriVerse View Post
    They were created as a cautionary tale of how never to be. The only times they were good were when they changed their evil ways and started to be more Western Civ enlightened human (not that I'm saying that without a huge laugh). Otherwise, they were an expression of nearly everything bad humans could do. They did eugenics, genocide, miscegenation, slavery, sexism, terrorism... and heck, monarchies, in general, are totally horrible things.

    The only way to paint anything about them in a good colour is with the few expats.

    And Lockjaw probably really was a normal guy they just treated like a mongrel. That's the kind of scum Kirby created them to be.
    Yes! Someone who has actually read the stories and apparently understands them! I think “scum” is a little extreme. I don’t know that Kirby thought through all the implications of his Inhuman creations. But their best stories are all about questioning how bad their society really is.

    This is why making them into superheroes as Perlmutter wanted to do was so... misguided. It shows a complete lack of understanding of the characters he controlled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post
    These are old stories. They freed the Alphas. You have to read and not let your agenda get in the way of the truth.

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