The Inhumans are Rasict

[Brian B]

When did I put ideal, I just put Rome didn't see them a less human, just as loosers.

No it is 100% biological in this case, do you even read these comics?

Every slave-owning society views and treats its slaves as less than full humans. Rome is a fine example of this.

[Force de Phenix]

We’re discussing a fictional society of autocrats and slavers. And what story is being told there? It’s okay to have slaves when they’re dumb enough? What great storytelling point or moral is being made by this story? It’s okay to own slaves? Think about it.

No, we aren't. We're discussing a science fiction story that changes from writer to writer. The characters themselves aren't real. They aren't racist because they don't discriminate against an ethnicity/race. The fictional scientists engineered minions with an alien machine left by the Kree. Is it a good thing? No. But don't bring real world slavery into the argument because your diminishing the real world suffering of a people comparing it to space invaders that went to Earth. It's not the same.

They aren't autocrats since THEY ABDICATED. They aren't slavers since they FREED THE ALPHAS. Going back and ignoring their progress as characters to make a FALSE point just defeats your argument.

[Noek]

It wasn’t an autocracy because of the “Genetics Council?” Really?! Every tyrant has his or her own council to deal with, but if you want to simply call the Inhumans a state of tyranny instead of recognizing the political power concentrated in Black Bolt, that’s fine.

Do you not know what an autocracy is? It means only one person gets a say, and because the power was shared by the Genetics Council then it isn't. They were not advisors, if it came to the caste system like job placement, marriage, and any changes it was done by them. Black Bolt and the Royals couldn't say no, unless a problem was in their political power.

[Brian B]

No, we aren't. We're discussing a science fiction story that changes from writer to writer. The characters themselves aren't real. They aren't racist because they don't discriminate against an ethnicity/race. The fictional scientists engineered minions with an alien machine left by the Kree. Is it a good thing? No. But don't bring real world slavery into the argument because your diminishing the real world suffering of a people comparing it to space invaders that went to Earth. It's not the same.

They aren't autocrats since THEY ABDICATED. They aren't slavers since they FREED THE ALPHAS. Going back and ignoring their progress as characters to make a FALSE point just defeats your argument.

Just as Jean Grey is reborn, you can countdown the years until the Inhumans again are a monarchy with Alpha Primitives as their slaves.

[Noek]

Every slave-owning society views and treats its slaves as less than full humans. Rome is a fine example of this.

I notice you keep ignoring the parts you have clearly no argument for, you are growing weaker.

[Oberon]

The clone Alpha Primitives were indeed created to be slaves, but the allusion or analogy is more like

Dr. Frankenstein creating a person. Or there may be better literary examples.

The Alpha primitives added to the story about a very unusual sub race of humans and its millennia old cultures.

So, it exists more in a sci fi realm without direct (to me) correlation of human systems, cultures etc.

It is entirely possible or true that Jack and Stan didn't think that far into it perhaps, in the beginning.

Considering their Jewish origins and culture it may be an allusion to other tropes that would be more Old Testament.

I don't think they were at all intended to represent or glorify or normalize any sense of slavery.

[Brian B]

Do you not know what an autocracy is? It means only one person gets a say, and because the power was shared by the Genetics Council then it isn't. They were not advisors, if it came to the caste system like job placement, marriage, and any changes it was done by them. Black Bolt and the Royals couldn't say no, unless a problem was in their political power.

Call it any form of tyranny you wish. It’s not a free society. It’s a society that treats people as part of various castes including slaves.

[Force de Phenix]

Just as Jean Grey is reborn, you can countdown the years until the Inhumans again are a monarchy with Alpha Primitives as their slaves.

You know that they don't have all the things you accused them of having and being because you either didn't read it or consciously decided to omit it from your argument.

They don't have slaves and they aren't a monarchy and they aren't racist. If a writer decides to reintroduce them for some reason, they will be criticized because they'd be ignoring the progress the characters have made.

[Brian B]

The clone Alpha Primitives were indeed created to be slaves, but the allusion or analogy is more like

Dr. Frankenstein creating a person. Or there may be better literary examples.

The Alpha primitives added to the story about a very unusual sub race of humans and its millennia old cultures.

So, it exists more in a sci fi realm without direct (to me) correlation of human systems, cultures etc.

It is entirely possible or true that Jack and Stan didn't think that far into it perhaps, in the beginning.

Considering their Jewish origins and culture it may be an allusion to other tropes that would be more Old Testament.

I don't think they were at all intended to represent or glorify or normalize any sense of slavery.

If the Marvel Universe is supposed to be the one outside my window as Marvel and Stan used to say, then we can use that rubric to see how the Inhumans function. Yes, the Inhumans are problematic, because of the caste society, the tyranny, and the slavery.

[Noek]

Call it any form of tyranny you wish. It’s not a free society. It’s a society that treats people as part of various castes including slaves.

So you admit, Inhumans aren't the problem that it is the Genetics Council. So pick option (A) All people are to be judged by their worst, or (B) Seperate people from the bad minority.

[Force de Phenix]

If the Marvel Universe is supposed to be the one outside my window as Marvel and Stan used to say, then we can use that rubric to see how the Inhumans function. Yes, the Inhumans are problematic, because of the caste society, the tyranny, and the slavery.

But that's not true because they don't have any of those. And Stan Lee and, especially, Jack Kirby invented the Inhumans.

[skyvolt2000]

No hold one group for the actions of a FEW might be.

The point folks here are trying to make is there is NOTHING wrong with discuss slavery.
What is wrong is trying to hold an entire RACE accountable for the actions of a few.

Since this is Marvel lets look outside out WINDOW and see in the real world folks are doing what everyone is taking you to task for...

Texas Lt Governor Dan Patrick blame BLACK FOLKS for the increase in infections of Covid.
Asian Americans had to dealt with "Asia Flu" and attacks that grew from it.
Arabs Americans had to deal with 911 fall out.
Lucille Ball had to put up with a LOT because of who she was married to-Ricky Ricardo-a Cuban.
Black Boys in hoodies and skinny jeans are going to kill white folks according to a RODENT titled Network.

In each of these cases SOMEONE was blaming an entire group for the actions of a few.

The point is the Inhumans are NOT doing that now.

If they were wouldn't Moon Girl, Inferno, Ms Marvel, Mosaic, Quake and Flint be SLAVES?? They are all Inhumans of COLOR.
Wouldn't the Inhumans send that cloud killer to Wakanda????

[Brian B]

So you admit, Inhumans aren't the problem that it is the Genetics Council. So pick option (A) All people are to be judged by their worst, or (B) Seperate people from the bad minority.

That’s like saying it’s the government’s fault not the people’s fault. The Inhumans’ society is decidedly racist. The force of laws almost always comes from a government body. It doesn’t mean Inhuman society isn’t racist. It means it is racist.

[Brian B]

But that's not true because they don't have any of those. And Stan Lee and, especially, Jack Kirby invented the Inhumans.

The Inhumans are a society based on caste. Yes, their rulers tend to be tyrants. And then there’s the slaves.

I don’t think some of these things seemed like an issue when Jack created them. But now, some of these concepts are pretty ugly.

[Brian B]

No hold one group for the actions of a FEW might be.

The point folks here are trying to make is there is NOTHING wrong with discuss slavery.
What is wrong is trying to hold an entire RACE accountable for the actions of a few.

Since this is Marvel lets look outside out WINDOW and see in the real world folks are doing what everyone is taking you to task for...

Texas Lt Governor Dan Patrick blame BLACK FOLKS for the increase in infections of Covid.
Asian Americans had to dealt with "Asia Flu" and attacks that grew from it.
Arabs Americans had to deal with 911 fall out.
Lucille Ball had to put up with a LOT because of who she was married to-Ricky Ricardo-a Cuban.
Black Boys in hoodies and skinny jeans are going to kill white folks according to a RODENT titled Network.

In each of these cases SOMEONE was blaming an entire group for the actions of a few.

The point is the Inhumans are NOT doing that now.

If they were wouldn't Moon Girl, Inferno, Ms Marvel, Mosaic, Quake and Flint be SLAVES?? They are all Inhumans of COLOR.
Wouldn't the Inhumans send that cloud killer to Wakanda????

Inhuman slaves are Alpha Primitives, not descendants of African peoples.