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    Quote Originally Posted by T'Challa Bruce Von Doom View Post
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    If Cell can do it why not Wolverine




    Only Gohan can kill him now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabare View Post
    If Cell can do it why not Wolverine




    Only Gohan can kill him now
    As I said, power increase in comic is kind of normal, expecially considering the increase in challenges. I am sorry but if your main enemies are giant murderous robots and you are a close combat specialist, well perhaps a little boost is necessary.
    Also I just noticed everyone has problems with the healing factor, o kne has issue with Wolverine claws being essentially magic, slicing pretty much everything regardless of logan strength, momentum or opponent resistance. Or the fact that in the bronze age, like many other characters, he was revealed to be a samurai( in early 80's was either this or ninja). Or his battle rage that in many roleplayjng games become less mental disability and more of full fledged superpower. Or the fact that at bare minimum wolvie, like most fiction hero, has the usual "regular human action hero" powers : increased durability, deflecting field, short range teleport, endless ammo(here less prominent because close combat specialist), convenient social invisibility, absolute aim, physics immunity. You know typical regular human action hero, like Chuck Norris, Steven Seagall, or John Rambo or more recently Dominic Toretto

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    As I said before it’s just popularity. Stat drift has happened to several heroes over the years. It’s not exclusive to Wolverine.

    I think the argument some people are really having is whether they preferred early incarnations of Logan vs the current version
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    The bigger question is why do writers find it necessary to stretch a character's power levels to these high extremes at all? What I've always liked about Wolverine -- and characters like him -- is that they were decidedly dangerous within the context of their originally defined abilities, but not Superman or godlike mortals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudicatorPrime View Post
    The bigger question is why do writers find it necessary to stretch a character's power levels to these high extremes at all? What I've always liked about Wolverine -- and characters like him -- is that they were decidedly dangerous within the context of their originally defined abilities, but not Superman or godlike mortals.
    There are mainly 2 reasons as I see it
    1) the same as many heroes. In their solos they can perform at their comfort zone, showing off all their skills against targets that "fit" but in teams they had to leave space to other characters as well as dealing with situations where their opponents are not as "cooperative" with their powerset as their usual(oh..you have claws and heal 5 times than normal? Letsee how you deal with a sentient murderous sphere of overheated plasma that melt flesh..my gm at me after pissed him off.)

    2) as with power creep of superman over years, usually is writers trapping themselves in a corner, putting the character in situation where there is not other option that boosting their powers or giving them new ones otherwise there would be no logical way to get them out. The other
    Side of this, is that as times goes on we know more about the world compared to the past, consequentially we now realise that 5 times faster than normal human is not as fast as we thought...because honestly I think that in many case the numbers and stats originally given to superheroes powers were just numbers that seemed big enough tk the authors who really did not thought that much in detail.

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    His most dangerous power is the specific brainwaves he emits, that makes people around him forget their powers and become suicidal.

    Like when he was under the illusion that Jean was Deathstrike, and Miss Omega Level Telekinetic tried to stop him by jumping on his back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor-Ul View Post
    If Wolverine is capable of survive this:



    yes, I would say he has become too powerful.
    That was angel of death

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudicatorPrime View Post
    The bigger question is why do writers find it necessary to stretch a character's power levels to these high extremes at all? What I've always liked about Wolverine -- and characters like him -- is that they were decidedly dangerous within the context of their originally defined abilities, but not Superman or godlike mortals.
    Especially with Wolverine it's quite baffling.

    Wolverine has a lot of fans that just love him as OP as he is now..but I think the power creep is a bit of a problem IMO.

    In the past, Wolverine used those claws because he got into situations where he could be legitimately killed. That's not to say his healing factor didn't help him but he could be incapacitated by guys using swords and guns and possibly killed. When he first fought the Hulk he did a lot of dodging and didn't engage one on one; he eventually got knocked out when Hulk landed a clean blow on him (albeit when he was distracted). Nowadays, he regularly hacks down guys that couldn't kill him in a million years (thinking of it, how many villains have killed more people than Wolverine on-panel?). It drains the tension out of a lot of situations with Logan because we the reader know the ordinary mooks he's fighting can't really do much to him which wasn't the case in the past.

    Sometimes writers need to think a bit more carefully about some of this. It's not enough to just write "kewl" stuff, making a character too powerful can easily drain the tension out of the action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by From The Shadows View Post
    Both at times I guess. But I was speaking about Byrnesy there.
    Interesting, I didn't know there was controversy around John Byrne. What did he do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugiwara View Post
    His most dangerous power is the specific brainwaves he emits, that makes people around him forget their powers and become suicidal.

    Like when he was under the illusion that Jean was Deathstrike, and Miss Omega Level Telekinetic tried to stop him by jumping on his back.

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    The worst offender if this remains old man logan universe x-men who when faced with a berserk Logan decided that the best option was, at least how it was drawn from logans memories, HUGS!
    (In all honesty I always though that everything was just survivor guilt by logan and in truth the x-men just killed EACH OTHER, no just him slaughtering everyone....but the story say otherwise..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username taken View Post
    Especially with Wolverine it's quite baffling.

    Wolverine has a lot of fans that just love him as OP as he is now..but I think the power creep is a bit of a problem IMO.

    In the past, Wolverine used those claws because he got into situations where he could be legitimately killed. That's not to say his healing factor didn't help him but he could be incapacitated by guys using swords and guns and possibly killed. When he first fought the Hulk he did a lot of dodging and didn't engage one on one; he eventually got knocked out when Hulk landed a clean blow on him (albeit when he was distracted). Nowadays, he regularly hacks down guys that couldn't kill him in a million years (thinking of it, how many villains have killed more people than Wolverine on-panel?). It drains the tension out of a lot of situations with Logan because we the reader know the ordinary mooks he's fighting can't really do much to him which wasn't the case in the past.

    Sometimes writers need to think a bit more carefully about some of this. It's not enough to just write "kewl" stuff, making a character too powerful can easily drain the tension out of the action.
    I am of the same opinion. They write themselves in the corner, putting the character in outlandish situations where the only option to make them survive is boosting their powers or pulling out a new power because is either that or death...in the example of Wolverine recovering from Nitro explosions....WHAT alternative there is? Once you write him in that situation how you get him out of there alive?(BTW this true of many superheroes...expecially theoretically street-level ones...authors love putting them in insane situation)

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    I never cared for the Logan character to begin with. He's always seemed like a bully to me.

    But I guess the only way to deal with the disappointment of seeing a character - beloved or hated - become more powerful by orders of magnitude, is to embrace primarily the classic stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd Rödney View Post
    Interesting, I didn't know there was controversy around John Byrne. What did he do?
    The sin of John Byrne is to be John Byrne.
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    If Wolverine were to back to his early days power levels, would most of you be ok with Spider-Man going back to struggling to lift a car, Iron Man back in his original armors instead of whatever nanotech he's using these days, Black Panther back in tights instead of vibranium armor or vibranium everything, Jean Grey back to a low level telekinetic and telepath, the Hulk being brought back down to MCU Hulk levels, etc. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcoijoi View Post
    I never cared for the Logan character to begin with. He's always seemed like a bully to me.

    But I guess the only way to deal with the disappointment of seeing a character - beloved or hated - become more powerful by orders of magnitude, is to embrace primarily the classic stories.
    That too got very over the top moment. It is a truth to be said. But they were better balanced.

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