No Time to Die (spoilers)

[ChrisIII]

Yeah, Craig's Bond wasn't taking any chances after Vesper. Billie's song eludes to it: "Fool me once, fool me twice...."


Action Bond girls have also been a thing for a while as well. Even back in 2002 I thought it was kind of funny that they were saying Halle was "finally Bond's equal" when we've had Pussy Galore, both YOLT girls, Tracy,Anya, Dr. Goodhead, Melina, Ocpussy Wai Lin as well as evil ones like Fiona, Mayday, Xenia, Elektra etc who were all pretty badass. Granted, there are some pretty airheaded "damsel in distress" types around too (Tifanny, Stacy, Kara, etc) or those in-between....

[Iron_Legion87]

Amazing finale to the Craig era of Bond. The only complaint I have is the one everyone else mentions, the main villian sucked and was non existent for 98% of the movie. Rami Malek only having like 7 mins of screen time in a 2 hour and 40 something min movie SMH.

[ChrisIII]

Villains are kind of the weak point I think of Craig's Bonds, although some of have had their moments (and of course there's Mr. White who's kind of the connective tissue of the whole thing. Imagine if they went with the original ending of QOS and killed him off!).


Greene in particular was awful. He's barely even mentioned in SPECTRE (and the second time they bring up all the villains connected to SPECTRE they simply say "Quantum" in his place.) He doesn't even get a target range picture!

[Iron_Legion87]

Villains are kind of the weak point I think of Craig's Bonds, although some of have had their moments (and of course there's Mr. White who's kind of the connective tissue of the whole thing. Imagine if they went with the original ending of QOS and killed him off!).


Greene in particular was awful. He's barely even mentioned in SPECTRE (and the second time they bring up all the villains connected to SPECTRE they simply say "Quantum" in his place.) He doesn't even get a target range picture!

I would have to agree with you on the weak villains in the Craig movies. Out of all of Craig's Bond movies there are only TWO stand out villains, Le Chiffre from Casino Royale and Raoul Silva from Skyfall.

[ChrisIII]

Yeah, Silva was pretty decent (although the retcon that he was part of SPECTRE kind of spoils it a bit; but I guess that's where most of his people/henchmen/resources came from. Maybe Blofeld sprung him out of HK?).

Chiffre was fairly intimidating but was pretty much just a desperate man.


Funny thing is Craig only directly kills two of his villains-Silva and Safin. Although when you think about it, Connery only really killed Dr.No-Klebb was killed by Tatiana, Goldfinger was more or less an accident, Largo was killed by Domino, and he never killed Blofeld.

Moore pretty much kills all his villains except Kristatos; Dalton and Brosnan all directly killed their villains.

[Captain Nostalgia]

Agree completely with this. But I will say that Skyfall suffers from what I call the Joker syndrome. As in the villain has this incredibly complex plot that requires all parties to do exactly what he needs them to do right up until the end, when the hero switches things up and wins. Same thing happened in The Dark Knight with all of Joker's plots, and if you stop to think about it, it can drive you crazy. But I still love both films.

I think you misunderstood me. I'm agreeing with you completely about the villain. I just loved his base. Yeah, the missile silo was a cold-war throwback, but then it was meant to be the original base of Safin's father, who would have been active in the Cold War. Plus I've always loved a cool Cold War base. But Safin himself sucked.

Yes I agree, the Skyfall villain had joker syndrome, I did think he was the weak point of what was otherwise one of my top 5 Bond movies of all time.

Yes I see your point on the missile silo as a result of Safin's father being part of Specter. That is cool, but I feel they could have taken Craig's final movie in a much better direction...one that didn't kill him for one, I don't think that will be fondly remembered in ten years time, particularly because a lot of people felt there was a political undertone to it....but I don't what rehash that issue, so I'll just agree with you on the fact....Safin sucked!

[AnakinFlair]

Yeah, Silva was pretty decent (although the retcon that he was part of SPECTRE kind of spoils it a bit; but I guess that's where most of his people/henchmen/resources came from. Maybe Blofeld sprung him out of HK?).

Chiffre was fairly intimidating but was pretty much just a desperate man.


Funny thing is Craig only directly kills two of his villains-Silva and Safin. Although when you think about it, Connery only really killed Dr.No-Klebb was killed by Tatiana, Goldfinger was more or less an accident, Largo was killed by Domino, and he never killed Blofeld.

Moore pretty much kills all his villains except Kristatos; Dalton and Brosnan all directly killed their villains.

While Connery never killed Bloefeld, it is HEAVILY implied that Moore drops him down a smokestack in his wheelchair, presumably killing him.

Yes I agree, the Skyfall villain had joker syndrome, I did think he was the weak point of what was otherwise one of my top 5 Bond movies of all time.

Yes I see your point on the missile silo as a result of Safin's father being part of Specter. That is cool, but I feel they could have taken Craig's final movie in a much better direction...one that didn't kill him for one, I don't think that will be fondly remembered in ten years time, particularly because a lot of people felt there was a political undertone to it....but I don't what rehash that issue, so I'll just agree with you on the fact....Safin sucked!

I think how this one is remembered in the future will depend on where the next one or two movies go. If we get a new Bond that people fall in love with, then I think people will be okay with them killing off Craig's Bond. But if the series flounders, then the hatred for this movie will only grown.

[Captain Nostalgia]

I think how this one is remembered in the future will depend on where the next one or two movies go. If we get a new Bond that people fall in love with, then I think people will be okay with them killing off Craig's Bond. But if the series flounders, then the hatred for this movie will only grown.

It will be interesting to see which route they take. I think whoever they pick, it will most likely be somewhat of a variation of the Craig films (a different creative direction, but in keeping in line with the same tone)

As long as Bond isn't surfing a tsunami I'm good.

[Wildling]

This movie basically has the Foxdie concept from Metal Gear Solid in it...Kind of interesting that a franchise inspired by James Bond seems to have served as the inspiration for this film.

Videogames are great for still providing inspiration fodder for existing movies without the danger of adapting the whole thing directly.

Just saying because I kinda liked the new Resident Evil trailer but felt it was asking "let's go indie and hope all the fanboys show up and drag the whole town to watch with them".

And I'd still watch a barebones Isaac starring Metal Gear Solid 1 movie, he's still going to be prime age for it right now after Dune 1 and hype from Dune 2.

[ChrisIII]

It's a bit confusing about MGS. Vogt posts concept art for both that and his Netflix Gundam movie but I haven't heard much since the Isaac casting.

Also MGS is partially linked to the first two 8 bit games although I don't think that was a huge problem since I think the game had a "story thus far" text and at least American players were probably familiar with the NES port of the original. Might be harder to fit that into a two-three hour movie.

Maybe sort of mesh the whole thing together with Liquid being Big Boss instead and Rex instead of the first two. Like the Shang Chi movie did with Fu Machu and Mandarin. Spy infiltrates base, finds out that commander is related to him, takes down Metal Gear for the basics. Have Grey Fox perhaps be an old war buddy in a flashback instead of the game backstory.

[ChrisIII]

Regarding Safin it's possible the plot point of him killing SPECTRE's remaining leadership (Some of the partygoers were in the board meeting in Rome from SPECTRE) and basically taking over at least some of their operations is an old concept from THE SPY WHO LOVED ME. That of course went out the window when McClory found out.

[Iron_Legion87]

Yeah, Silva was pretty decent (although the retcon that he was part of SPECTRE kind of spoils it a bit; but I guess that's where most of his people/henchmen/resources came from. Maybe Blofeld sprung him out of HK?).

Chiffre was fairly intimidating but was pretty much just a desperate man.


Funny thing is Craig only directly kills two of his villains-Silva and Safin. Although when you think about it, Connery only really killed Dr.No-Klebb was killed by Tatiana, Goldfinger was more or less an accident, Largo was killed by Domino, and he never killed Blofeld.

Moore pretty much kills all his villains except Kristatos; Dalton and Brosnan all directly killed their villains.

Yea tying every villain Craig's Bond faced to Spectre was one of my main gripes too. Also, Chiffre was just a desperate man, he was still at least intimidating for a bit ha.

[AnakinFlair]

It will be interesting to see which route they take. I think whoever they pick, it will most likely be somewhat of a variation of the Craig films (a different creative direction, but in keeping in line with the same tone)

As long as Bond isn't surfing a tsunami I'm good.

God, I forgot how bad that looked.

Really the only thing in that movie that looked good was Rosamund Pike and Halle Berry.

[Captain Nostalgia]

God, I forgot how bad that looked.

Really the only thing in that movie that looked good was Rosamund Pike and Halle Berry.

and for some reason...I liked the invisible car lol, can't go wrong with John Cleese as Q.

[ChrisIII]

The car's other features were kind of cool (such as Bond using the ejector function to flip the car!), and that actual chase was pretty decent. It's also one of the few times that Bond has faced off against another 'gadget' car.