Why doesn't some like Doomsday Clock?

[Mr_E_88]

Hi guys

Doomsday Clock is one of my favorite stories from DC Comics, the dialogue was great, the art was amazing, it brought back the pre-New 52 continuity, and it was praised by critics.

But having mentioned the book a few times in this forum, I noticed that some of the guys here didn't like it.

Why?

Is there a reason or is it just a matter of taste?

And are you from the camp who liked it or from the camp who didn't?

[LAWtoyoto 432]

Hi guys

Doomsday Clock is one of my favorite stories from DC Comics, the dialogue was great, the art was amazing, it brought back the pre-New 52 continuity, and it was praised by critics.

But having mentioned the book a few times in this forum, I noticed that some of the guys here didn't like it.

Why?

Is there a reason or is it just a matter of taste?

And are you from the camp who liked it or from the camp who didn't?

Because this book is no longer canon thank to mismanagement higher up. Until now when can we have a new 'JSA' run?

The whole point of this book is a waste of money except explain how Dr Manhattan try to fix the actual timelines. And why Superman is important in this universe.

[John Venus]

-Constant delays.

-The shaky ethics of incorporating the Watchmen into the DCU and meta textually trying to blame them for Didio/Johns mismanagement of the DCU.

-Yet another big event meant to reboot and re-write DCU history. Enough. We just want good stories and the best version of our favorite characters. I don't care how GA Green Arrow squares with the modern day Green Arrow.

-This happening around the same time as Death Metal and 5G made my head spin and I ended up ignoring most of it until the dust settled.

[Restingvoice]

On the question of canon, Doomsday Clock did happen at some point in time, Dr. Manhattan did fix the timeline, but when Batman Who Laughs attack Hypertime during Metal and Flash Forward, the timeline gets messed up. The result is all of the alternate timelines and the events that happened in them all happened at the same time. It wasn't until Metal was over that Hypertime is fixed and the alternate timelines became separate again.

That's their explanation anyway.

As for Doomsday Clock itself, when I was reading it, I'm just not interested in everyone involved. Mainly because this story is for those who like classic characters and I'm new so the emotional investment just wasn't there. The messy timeline doesn't help.

I'm only interested in the last few pages when Dr. Manhattan explains the state of DCU from then on.

[king of hybrids]

I didn’t mind it at the time but in hindsight:

1) the fact that Watchmen shouldn’t be DC’s to monkey around with. If they want to screw with Moore so bad the Twilight pitch is sitting in their vaults
2) there was no need to ever do a sequel (and the tv show did it better anyway)
3) definitely no reason to do a crossover with DC
4) the plot clearly changed as the delays increased
5) ultimately pointless
6) everything about Johns since 2017 taints it by association

[Jekyll]

1. My personal opinion, but I find Watchmen to be incredibly overrated. I would prefer it not to mix in with the DCU.
2. The constant delays made me lose complete interest.
3. By the time it actually finished DC's horrible management made it completely useless and it didn't accomplish a thing.
4. Did it really bring The JSA back? Not really.

[blunt_eastwood]

Hi guys

Doomsday Clock is one of my favorite stories from DC Comics, the dialogue was great, the art was amazing, it brought back the pre-New 52 continuity, and it was praised by critics.

Unless I missed something it didn't bring back the pre-New 52 continuity. As I understand it, we're still following the New 52 continuity.

[Menacer]

Unless I missed something it didn't bring back the pre-New 52 continuity. As I understand it, we're still following the New 52 continuity.

All that happened was that it was revealed that Dr Manhattan was in fact responsible for the Flashpoint revision.

Of course loads of us knew that way way in advance.

But for causal casual readers this is a big shock. And apparently to some on this forum, new52 deniers, for lack of a better word thought new52 was wiped away at the Rebirth/Reborn fusion.

Of course new52 is the timeline all modern books are born from. Manhattan is responsible for this.

These guys explain it more or less as I have
https://www.cbr.com/superboy-prime-k...secrets/tldr/1

[blunt_eastwood]

All that happened was that it was revealed that Dr Manhattan was in fact responsible for the Flashpoint revision.

Of course loads of us knew that way way in advance.

But for causal casual readers this is a big shock. And apparently to some on this forum, new52 deniers, for lack of a better word thought new52 was wiped away at the Rebirth/Reborn fusion.

Of course new52 is the timeline all modern books are born from. Manhattan is responsible for this.

These guys explain it more or less as I have
https://www.cbr.com/superboy-prime-k...secrets/tldr/1

Do these New 52 deniers also believe that the Earth is flat?

[Hol]

All that happened was that it was revealed that Dr Manhattan was in fact responsible for the Flashpoint revision.

Of course loads of us knew that way way in advance.

But for causal casual readers this is a big shock. And apparently to some on this forum, new52 deniers, for lack of a better word thought new52 was wiped away at the Rebirth/Reborn fusion.

Of course new52 is the timeline all modern books are born from. Manhattan is responsible for this.

These guys explain it more or less as I have
https://www.cbr.com/superboy-prime-k...secrets/tldr/1

Really? I feel like the current DCU is more of a Post Crisis/Pre Flashpoint universe mixed with some stuff from the New52. At least from the books I have read. Flash, Infinite Frontier. Heck, even in Death Metal and other books it seems like the DCU resembles more the pre Flashpoint universe than the New 52.

[blunt_eastwood]

Really? I feel like the current DCU is more of a Post Crisis/Pre Flashpoint universe mixed with some stuff from the New52. At least from the books I have read. Flash, Infinite Frontier. Heck, even in Death Metal and other books it seems like the DCU resembles more the pre Flashpoint universe than the New 52.

It looks like the pre-New 52 DCU, but it is technically still the New 52 timeline.

[MajorHoy]

It looks like the pre-New 52 DCU, but it is technically still the New 52 timeline.

I think it's a random mix of everything that nobody is willing to define one way or another at present.

[lemonpeace]

It looks like the pre-New 52 DCU, but it is technically still the New 52 timeline.

Iunno, I don't really think so. it reads very much like the post-Flashpoint universe, just with more pre-Flashpoint things filling some of the gaps. aside from some characters coming back into the fold, most of the characters that have been around still feel like they're following the threads they've been on in the post-Flashpoint continuity. I feel like we saw a similar thing with DC Rebirth, people kinda wanting believe it pre-Flashpoint because some of the old stuff have been integrated even though there's no real reason to.

[Menacer]

Really? I feel like the current DCU is more of a Post Crisis/Pre Flashpoint universe mixed with some stuff from the New52. At least from the books I have read. Flash, Infinite Frontier. Heck, even in Death Metal and other books it seems like the DCU resembles more the pre Flashpoint universe than the New 52.

I think yours missing the point of what I've actually said and others have explained more clearly what I meant.