DC’s New Superman, Jon Kent, Comes Out as Bisexual in Upcoming Comic

[Yoda]

Bingo. Like you said, it certainly doesn't *have* to be gross, but the way it's often presented is no better of a mentality than wanting celebrities to date other celebrities because "they're both famous."

Yeah. And to add to what I said, it's like the idea that you have to share your profession with your significant other for them to "get you" that kinda really rings hollow to me. There are plenty of celebrities who have zero interest in dating someone who's also a celebrity. Because that is what we are basically talking about. I get that to a certain extent. I'm a litigator and my wife is not in the legal field at all. So there were times when she didn't quite "get" the issues I have with time constraints, certain deadlines, or the expectation that I will respond to something or how some Judge's order can upend plans. But at the same time her perspective as someone looking in on that from the outside is invaluable to me because it will also help me realize when I'm overworking and need to step back. There are tons of lawyers who are only really in relationships with other lawyers, but I've seen that be pretty unhealthy when there's no one to call you on your BS basically.

[Writerblog]

Yeah. And to add to what I said, it's like the idea that you have to share your profession with your significant other for them to "get you" that kinda really rings hollow to me. There are plenty of celebrities who have zero interest in dating someone who's also a celebrity. Because that is what we are basically talking about. I get that to a certain extent. I'm a litigator and my wife is not in the legal field at all. So there were times when she didn't quite "get" the issues I have with time constraints, certain deadlines, or the expectation that I will respond to something or how some Judge's order can upend plans. But at the same time her perspective as someone looking in on that from the outside is invaluable to me because it will also help me realize when I'm overworking and need to step back. There are tons of lawyers who are only really in relationships with other lawyers, but I've seen that be pretty unhealthy when there's no one to call you on your BS basically.

Well Lois and Clark have the same day job. Dating a co-worker is fairly common

Many celebrities romances aren't even real, heard a lot of them are just to get people talking.

[Yoda]

Well Lois and Clark have the same day job. Dating a co-worker is fairly common

True, but the day job isn't the one that people focus on really. Particularly in this context. I don't know about common, but it does happen definitely.

Many celebrities romances aren't even real, heard a lot of them are just to get people talking.

I'm sure that does happen, I'm not sure how common it is. But that's actually the way the Superman/Wonder Woman analogues in The Boys are portrayed. Mauve is a lesbian that Vaught's marketing stuck with Homelander for like the Q score or something. Which makes it really odd that some fans cite that pairing as a reason for the real deals to be together. It's explicit in it just being a marketing gimmick.

[Vordan]

Yeah, if the "equality" they are talking about is having the same values and drives for justice, that's one thing. Clark wouldn't be with someone who wasn't his "equal" in that area.

But it's always "equality" in the sense that she's as strong as him or a superhero. I suppose it doesn't have to be per se gross, but it rarely is presented that way or even argued in good faith. This is especially true when discussing Lois. Because she is his "equal" in all the senses that matter except being as physically strong. It's nothing to do with his saving people, fighting for the same values or being a hero. That's rarely ever presented as an actual issue other than a few (IMO poorly written) attempts at creating "conflict". And it never comes up that there are plenty of "human" heroes in the DCU. So it's either the always gross "woman of kleenex" argument or the grossly overexaggerated "no one else can understand" POV. And I mean, Utopian, Samaratin, Miracle Man, aren't presented as ideals like Superman is. Utopian is a failure and set up that way, Miracle Man is a facist and it's presented as a bad thing he's losing touch. I'm not as familiar with Samaritan, but isn't his whole MO like he's an extreme have to save everyone can't take a moment for myself variation?

Nah Samaritan is a very straightforward take while still being his own thing. Big differences are that he’s similar to the second idea Siegel and Shuster had for Superman, that he was a time traveler. Samaritan is from the future sent back to prevent his bad end from happening. Time traveling gave him his powers. He has a secret identity and what not.

[Writerblog]

True, but the day job isn't the one that people focus on really. Particularly in this context. I don't know about common, but it does happen definitely.



I'm sure that does happen, I'm not sure how common it is. But that's actually the way the Superman/Wonder Woman analogues in The Boys are portrayed. Mauve is a lesbian that Vaught's marketing stuck with Homelander for like the Q score or something. Which makes it really odd that some fans cite that pairing as a reason for the real deals to be together. It's explicit in it just being a marketing gimmick.

I think that many fans gloss over Lois an Clark having the same job. It's a bit of incovenient to their arguments.

Maeve is Bisexual, Lesbian is just how Vough choose to market her new relationship with a woman. Not sure how much her and Homelander relationship was legit, he is totally a psychopath that Maeve fears him all the time. He also stalked her, so yeah I don't see why would somebody uses the as template for the OG characters.

[oneveryfineday]

What else is he scheduled to appear in? Was thinking he was going to join the JL but unfortunately it looks like Bendis is just going to do his own thing for now. I am interested in seeing Jon interact with the wider DCU more.

I was waiting for solicits to come out so there you go! But yeah, I still need to see Jon on a team and interact with other heroes.

Nigel Farage is an all round piece of garbage (he's an on again-off again politician for the far right). He is truly an embarrassment and I apologise on behalf of my country.

You’re good, I’ve seen similar ugly things from this side of the pond as well (I suffer to satisfy my own curiosity).

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It’s been a few days since Jon came out so now it’s being filtered into comedy. I’ll admit that a Fox News skit made me laugh when they taped a “JW” onto Superman’s S shield.



There’s a short Stephen Colbert segment too.



But I think the best one so far is this A+ satirical Twitter rant

https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/sta...848602123?s=20



Congrats Jon for your big break as the rainbow socialist Superman. Hope he scares conservatives every week.

[garazza]

It’s been a few days since Jon came out so now it’s being filtered into comedy. I’ll admit that a Fox News skit made me laugh when they taped a “JW” onto Superman’s S shield.

Oh that is clever. I kind of want that as an actual shirt now.

[oneveryfineday]

Oh that is clever. I kind of want that as an actual shirt now.

It’s honestly such a good idea but I hate that Fox News came up with it lol

[JAK]

Yeah. And to add to what I said, it's like the idea that you have to share your profession with your significant other for them to "get you" that kinda really rings hollow to me. There are plenty of celebrities who have zero interest in dating someone who's also a celebrity. Because that is what we are basically talking about. I get that to a certain extent. I'm a litigator and my wife is not in the legal field at all. So there were times when she didn't quite "get" the issues I have with time constraints, certain deadlines, or the expectation that I will respond to something or how some Judge's order can upend plans. But at the same time her perspective as someone looking in on that from the outside is invaluable to me because it will also help me realize when I'm overworking and need to step back. There are tons of lawyers who are only really in relationships with other lawyers, but I've seen that be pretty unhealthy when there's no one to call you on your BS basically.

Very true - and an interesting anecdote, too. Usually, though, it's not even so much about them having the same job; it's this "power couple" idea. Granted, my wife and I have actually been called that on several occasions, but it's not because she sings (she hasn't publicly) or anything; we've both jumped into various fun things together and we compliment each other well. But for many people, it's an arbitrary idea in people's heads who know nothing about the two people involved, generally having little to nothing to do with who they are as individuals and who they'd be as a couple. And as a singer (before I was married, anyway), I had people "shipping" me with women I don't have the first thing in common with "because we both look good" and it's just the most baffling feeling, lol

I think that many fans gloss over Lois an Clark having the same job. It's a bit of inconvenient to their arguments.

Not really. They're co-workers, and that can certainly happen. But nobody's saying "they should be together because they're both reporters."

[Kurt Busiek]

Kurt Busiek, and Mark Millar, have given us some interesting takes on Superman's love life. Kurt Busiek showing us it just works with The Samaritan and Winged Victory (though I wish there was more stories ).

There'll be more stories. But that's not my take on Superman's love life. Superman and Samaritan may be similar types, but they're different characters, with very different lives when they're not flying around biffing things.

My take on Superman's love life is probably most strongly seen in the "Camelot Falls" story I did with Carlos Pacheco, and the "Up, Up and Away" story I co-wrote with Geoff John and Pete Woods drew most issues of.

I wrote another Superman in SUPERMAN: SECRET IDENTITY, but that's not a comment on Superman's love life, either -- that's also a different character, who makes different choices.

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[DABellWrites]

Sure, but "your equal" is different for everybody. Clark's love for Lois is because of their connection on a personal and mental level, not that both can punch a mountain (obviously). For some characters, power level equality would be fitting because that's what they're into, for others it's superficial. If both can punch a mountain but have nothing in common, the former trait quickly becomes meaningless (if not immediately).

I can certainly see how, particularly for a character that's being touted as "Dad why didn't you see this and react differently," it'd seem like (at least) a step back to emphasize both having powers as what makes the relationship better. And for Taylor to use Clark and Lois's relationship as a comparison and trying to paint L&C as coming up short for this reason is, frankly... bullsh*t.

We can say this because we don't have the strength to punch a mountain, life would be pretty lonely in reality. But, in our fictional stories it's different. That's why I listed where you can take the idea and popular stories. Having super-strength is just what brought them together. Of course a good story doesn't center it around their physical powers.
I was going to mention an article I read about Alan Moore's Supreme run, but I haven't read it yet, so it didn't sit right with me trying to use it.

[DABellWrites]

There'll be more stories. But that's not my take on Superman's love life. Superman and Samaritan may be similar types, but they're different characters, with very different lives when they're not flying around biffing things.

My take on Superman's love life is probably most strongly seen in the "Camelot Falls" story I did with Carlos Pacheco, and the "Up, Up and Away" story I co-wrote with Geoff John and Pete Woods drew most issues of.

I wrote another Superman in SUPERMAN: SECRET IDENTITY, but that's not a comment on Superman's love life, either -- that's also a different character, who makes different choices.

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Everyone:

[DABellWrites]

What? are we talking about Superman or Lex Luthor here?

Loving someone for me have nothing to do with being equal, but being fair, good person and loyal.

I really want nothing to do with the mentality that people want only to fall in love with people equal to them on physical strenght.



Well Jon didn't fall in love wih Jay because of powers, it seems like a later reveal being spoiled by interviews (again)

Superman.

Well, we're talking about a fictional story, real life is vastly different. We can do scenarios and stories that just can't be done in real life.

But, that's an interesting character to explore.

[Nelliebly]

The conservative pearl clutching over “why does sexuality have to be part of the story now” is so outrageously disingenuous:articularly:: for this franchise that I can’t even stand it.

For as “wholesome” as Superman supposedly is, his relationship with Lois has been extremely sexually charged for literally decades. The interview scene from Superman: The Movie was a literal oral sex innuendo for 10 minutes straight. No, kids didn’t understand it but it’s extremely clear for adults that that scene is FILTHY. There was a love scene in Superman 2. In like 1980!

Lois and Clark? The show Dean Cain I guess thinks was so devoid of this stuff was, again, loaded with sex in the 4th season.

In fact, I actually don’t think there has been a Superman media property in the last 40 years without a love scene between the two. And not like an ::implied:: love scene—but like an actual sex scene. Smallville had them using the Kent farm porch swing as a sex swing and had extensive long “dream” sequences (that were actually Lois’s memories) in the 9th season of sex scenes that they literally used to promote the show at comic con that year.

And, yes, there has been some “think of the children” BS with Lois and Clark too. Mostly linked to misogyny or slut shaming of Lois or the implication that she’s too slutty for him etc etc barf. And it’s very much linked to that messed up mindset that teaches that only “bad boys” like and enjoy sex and so people can’t handle someone like Clark who is very much viewed as “pure” (whereas misogyny dictates that Lois is impure) engaging in sex. And so you get a lot of “oh is this appropriate for the kids” nonsense like after Batman v Superman came out etc where people are just so “concerned” for the kids seeing Superman have sex with someone he loves in a bathtub but the violence is fine for the kids! Because intimacy and love making will damage children but seeing Superman get his face kicked in is fine, I guess. Conservative logic!

But my point is….it’s just so completely disingenuous to get up on a soapbox and say that sexuality doesn’t have a place in this franchise as if the implication and explicit canon for decades hasn’t been repeatedly that Lois and Clark f*** each other’s brains out as a hobby. Like it’s not even debatable, that’s definitely the canon. So, now, to stand up there and act precious about Jon Kent engaging in literally JUST A KISS on a cover—when his parents have been shown doing only God knows what for the last 40 years—is just plain BS. It’s homophobic nonsense.

[Writerblog]

Superman.

Well, we're talking about a fictional story, real life is vastly different. We can do scenarios and stories that just can't be done in real life.

But, that's an interesting character to explore.

Of course people can do new scenarios, but always taking care of destroying the character. Like I don't think Superman ever cared about physical strenght of any woman or man (friendships)
That is why pastiches exists like Homelander.