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    Default Is "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" (2009) canon?

    Tell me.

    To me, it belongs to the original timeline.

    I think that the movie is a good and fun popcorn superhero flick, they just should redo the digital claws sequence in the Hudson family's bathroom.

    I don't see anything wrong with it, quite frankly.

    Emma Silverfox and Wade/Weapon XI are just reinterpretations. Weapon XI was scary and frightening. Who cares about having a comic book faithful adaptation? Later, we got the two Deadpool movies and the Deadpool cinematic universe. The character is a bit overrated anyway.

    In terms of continuity, Emma Silverfox, Quicksilver and Banshee could be seen as an issue, but we can suppose that they are clones created by Essex Corp/WideAwake.
    So my wild guess is that Emma Silverfox is Emma Frost's clone created by William Stryker Jr. in the sixties (DOFP established that Emma Frost was captured and killed) and later adopted by Mr. Silverfox, Kayla's father. Adoptive sibling.
    The teen versions of Quicksilver and Banshee are clones too, of course. The real Banshee (First Class) was killed by Stryker in the sixties, while the real Quicksilver (DOFP) could have been killed by Team X down the line too, and that would explain why 2023 Wolverine knew about him and knew about his home address.
    Thus, basically, we can imagine that Xavier recruited Emma Silverfox, Quicksilver II and Banshee II as X-Men, and they belonged to the second generation (along with Beast), operating many years before the first movie. Beast, Emma, Quicksilver and Banshee departed some time before, leaving Cyclops, Storm and Jean alone.
    I don't think that they are "mutants with similar powers". Ironically speaking, and that's truly cool if you ask me, Stryker's secret files in X2 list two "Cassidys" and two "Maximoffs", without specifically mentioning their birthnames. Retroactive continuity, we can assume that the computer files referred to the clones.



    The movie is set in 1983. 15 years before "X-Men" (1999). Cyclops is 18 years old, exactly like he was in "X-Men: Apocalypse".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BatKeaton View Post
    Who cares about having a comic book faithful adaptation?
    A lot of people care about that. It's one of the main reasons why this version of Wade was massively panned, it just strayed way too much from the character.

    And the movie is canon to the degree that anything in the Fox movies is canon after all the time-jumping and whatnot. Doesn't mean it's good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul # 7 View Post
    A lot of people care about that. It's one of the main reasons why this version of Wade was massively panned, it just strayed way too much from the character.
    Yes, but since we got the real Deadpool later, there's nothing wrong with Weapon XI, it was scary and cool.
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    I enjoyed the movie and I agree about it being canon before days of future past. I could see some version of it happening post Days of Future Past. Same event/different outcome etc. Which allows you to change up the roster and iron out the kinks.

    Emma Silverton could just be a different character than Emma Frost. And Quicksilver/Banshee could just be Easter eggs. They are unnamed new mutants.

    If anything you could keep Weapon 11 and make him a different character. Bonus points if you use an existing Deadpool villian like T-Ray.
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    Imo opinion everything before Wolverine left Stryker after the African raid is canon with the new timeline created by Days of Future Past.

    When Logan left Stryker and went off and eventually met Silverfox and had a life as a logger it was stated when Stryker and Zero came to see him 6 years had past since him leaving. The end battle took place at 3 mile island and was meant to be the X-Men film universe version of the 3 Mile Island Incident which was 1979 meaning Wolverine left Stryker in 1973.

    Days of Future Past took place in 1973.

    So again just my opinion everything we see in the 1st arc of the film Wolverine X-Men Origins took place and Jimmy left Stryker in 1973 afterwards he went to NYC and got involved with the mob and started banging that one mob guys daughter. Original Timeline he would had eventually made his way to Canada and met Silverfox but due to his future self taking over his body we got DOFP and it rewrote his timeline and he was taken by Weapon-X either in 1973 by Mystique or a later date but was still their prisoner in 1983 in the new timeline vs escaping in 1979 during the adamantium process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatKeaton View Post
    Yes, but since we got the real Deadpool later, there's nothing wrong with Weapon XI, it was scary and cool.
    Except that there was no knowledge of us getting the real Deadpool later when this movie came out. In fact, the massive backlash this version of Deadpool received is one of the primary reasons we got the real Deadpool later. You're essentially waving away something bad because something good came from it being so bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    Imo opinion everything before Wolverine left Stryker after the African raid is canon with the new timeline created by Days of Future Past.

    When Logan left Stryker and went off and eventually met Silverfox and had a life as a logger it was stated when Stryker and Zero came to see him 6 years had past since him leaving. The end battle took place at 3 mile island and was meant to be the X-Men film universe version of the 3 Mile Island Incident which was 1979 meaning Wolverine left Stryker in 1973.

    Days of Future Past took place in 1973.

    So again just my opinion everything we see in the 1st arc of the film Wolverine X-Men Origins took place and Jimmy left Stryker in 1973 afterwards he went to NYC and got involved with the mob and started banging that one mob guys daughter. Original Timeline he would had eventually made his way to Canada and met Silverfox but due to his future self taking over his body we got DOFP and it rewrote his timeline and he was taken by Weapon-X either in 1973 by Mystique or a later date but was still their prisoner in 1983 in the new timeline vs escaping in 1979 during the adamantium process.
    No, (young) Stryker did not know Logan in DOFP. The mob involvement occurred in very early 1973, before Logan would embark on a new war tour in Vietnam.

    As simple as that, Mystique freed Logan from Stryker's rescue team and the Project WideAwake at the end of DOFP. Logan lived his life (despite the big hole in his memory about the events of 1973), but was captured again in late 1982 or so.
    And here we go: "X-Men: Apocalypse". 1983.
    We don't know how much time Mystique impersonated Stryker, even. Maybe months.

    However, the events of "Origins" are firmly place in 1983, not 1979. In the movie, it is hinted that the infamous Three Mile Island Incident already happened years before.
    Cyclops is 18 years old.

    The original timeline:

    1973- Stryker recruits James Logan and Victor Creed.
    1977- After 4 years of missions, Logan leaves Team X in Africa.
    1983- The main events of "Origins".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodle View Post
    Except that there was no knowledge of us getting the real Deadpool later when this movie came out. In fact, the massive backlash this version of Deadpool received is one of the primary reasons we got the real Deadpool later. You're essentially waving away something bad because something good came from it being so bad.
    Weapon XI was scary and cool. I love it.
    Other than that, I'm not a Deadpool fan.
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    HAHAHAHA There was never any "cannon" in the Fox movies. To try and say there was is just foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatKeaton View Post
    No, (young) Stryker did not know Logan in DOFP. The mob involvement occurred in very early 1973, before Logan would embark on a new war tour in Vietnam.

    As simple as that, Mystique freed Logan from Stryker's rescue team and the Project WideAwake at the end of DOFP. Logan lived his life (despite the big hole in his memory about the events of 1973), but was captured again in late 1982 or so.
    And here we go: "X-Men: Apocalypse". 1983.
    We don't know how much time Mystique impersonated Stryker, even. Maybe months.

    However, the events of "Origins" are firmly place in 1983, not 1979. In the movie, it is hinted that the infamous Three Mile Island Incident already happened years before.
    Cyclops is 18 years old.

    The original timeline:

    1973- Stryker recruits James Logan and Victor Creed.
    1977- After 4 years of missions, Logan leaves Team X in Africa.
    1983- The main events of "Origins".
    Sorry you're wrong the final battle in Wolverine Origins takes place in 1979 not 1983. IMDB and Wikipedia both set the film in 1979.

    Also the Ceasefire in Vietnam Name took place on January 28th 1973 one day after the Paris Accords were signed and DOFP took place during the accords meaning Wolverine and Creed wouldn't be doing a tour during 1973 to be recruited by Stryker in any timeline.

    The only way it makes any sense is if Wolverine and Creed were recruited in late 68, left Stryker in late 72, worked for the mob immediately after in late 72/early real early like January 73, then Silverfox "died" in early 79 a little over 6 years after he left Stryker, and 3 Mile Island happens on March 28th 1979 like in the real world.

    Truth is the X-Men film timeline is a mess and there are things that make no sense post 1st Class Reboot.

    Like Young Stryker or Mystique suddenly being Xavier's foster sister and no one ever mentioning it in the previous films.

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    X-Men Origins: Wolverine should have been named Wolverine: Weapon X instead. Title change could have properly guaged people's expectations on this film.

    They could have edited out the stuff about his childhood and just focused on him being in the Weapon X program.

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    Always assumed that the movie took place around the same timeframe as Apocalypse (since both show Cyclops getting his powers or that they were brand new). The problem of Wolverine being a Vietnam vet who was incarcerated for assaulting a superior vs. hanging around with a mob boss's daughter at the end of the war doesn't have an easy fix (esp. since the timeline change would've happened after the former), but the film series was riddled with problems like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    HAHAHAHA There was never any "cannon" in the Fox movies. To try and say there was is just foolish.
    There are no "CANNONS" indeed. Cannons are foolish, it's not a war. There's CANNONBALL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    Sorry you're wrong the final battle in Wolverine Origins takes place in 1979 not 1983.

    Like Young Stryker or Mystique suddenly being Xavier's foster sister and no one ever mentioning it in the previous films.
    I know where you're coming from, but IMDB and WIKI are merely written by people.

    Well, Cyclops' age is the very same (18) in both Origins and Apocalypse, so it's 1983. 15 years before "X-Men 1", which can be placed in 1999 ("future time" from the First Class perspective).
    That said, they HINT about the nuclear incident having happened in the past.

    Logan and Creed just embarked in a kind of black ops war tour, or something along those lines. An off-the-radar suicide operation.

    Otherwise, mind you. William Stryker jr. in DOFP did not know who Logan was. His early "Team X" in Vietnam was formed by Havok (kinda of, reluctant), Ink, Toad and some others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebLurker View Post
    Always assumed that the movie took place around the same timeframe as Apocalypse (since both show Cyclops getting his powers or that they were brand new). The problem of Wolverine being a Vietnam vet who was incarcerated for assaulting a superior vs. hanging around with a mob boss's daughter at the end of the war doesn't have an easy fix (esp. since the timeline change would've happened after the former), but the film series was riddled with problems like that.
    Logan escaped from the mobsters. He just embarked on this off-the-radars special mission with Victor. New York was becoming too much of an issue for him.
    Thus, Vietnam comes after New York.
    Also, the X-Men universe is different from ours, so we don't know how much "their" Vietnam war was different from ours.

    Jan. 27, 1973: Cease-fire agreement is reached between U.S. and North Vietnam, U.S. POWs begin to return home.

    March 29, 1973: Last U.S. combat troops leave South Vietnam.
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