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    Why has DC trashed this coupling instead of pushing it as an iconic coupling like Clark and Lois? I love the couple and feel that Steve should be her main love interest. It deserves to be just as iconic as L&C. Fans have always felt that Clark should be only with Lois. But post Crisis, there's always been this push to either sideline Steve or pair him with someone else. How is it that writers know how to write Lois and Clark even though that dynamic with one having powers and the other not is the same as Steve and Diana? Lois has always been a part of Clark's stories whether he's galavanting off in space or earthbound. There's so many ways the Steve/Diana coupling can be serious romantic and funny at the same time.

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    1st: Because Infinite Crisis made Steve twice Diana's age for 25 years of her publication. Probably to completely squash the notion that she left the Island to be with him (which was true in her original origin).

    2nd: Because New 52 turned all their iconic character into high schoolers, and with that mentality figured you need to have the Quarterback (Superman) date the captain of the cheerleader's (Wonder Woman). Also New 52 cut Wonder Woman off from most of her supporting cast in general, not just Steve.

    3rd: Because until recently, very little of her outside media has been adapted as it's own property (notice how her TV show, live action and animated movies include Steve ). So Wonder Woman was inserted into a world revolving around the Justice League and not her own mythos. The side characters are going to get cut in a team setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    1st: Because Infinite Crisis made Steve twice Diana's age for 25 years of her publication. Probably to completely squash the notion that she left the Island to be with him (which was true in her original origin).

    2nd: Because New 52 turned all their iconic character into high schoolers, and with that mentality figured you need to have the Quarterback (Superman) date the captain of the cheerleader's (Wonder Woman). Also New 52 cut Wonder Woman off from most of her supporting cast in general, not just Steve.

    3rd: Because until recently, very little of her outside media has been adapted as it's own property (notice how her TV show, live action and animated movies include Steve ). So Wonder Woman was inserted into a world revolving around the Justice League and not her own mythos. The side characters are going to get cut in a team setting.
    Crisis on Infinite Earths, not Infinite Crisis, but even before they struggled with him A LOT. He was usually her love interest, but he died pretty often even so.

    Truthfully, Steve was only her usual love interest because nobody could make anyone else work either and he was the first. It's Chris Pine that made all of us sweat profusely and wonder who cranked the heat up in that theater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    Crisis on Infinite Earths, not Infinite Crisis, but even before they struggled with him A LOT. He was usually her love interest, but he died pretty often even so.
    Argh, that’s what I meant. Curse you DC and your confusing “Crisis” events!

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    Truthfully, Steve was only her usual love interest because nobody could make anyone else work either and he was the first. It's Chris Pine that made all of us sweat profusely and wonder who cranked the heat up in that theater.
    Chris Pine turned Steve Trevor into someone who is…shall we say, “above average”.
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    In addition what Fish said, DC's always liked to push Diana as a love interest (translation: arm candy/disposable rebound girl) in a lot odf comics and adaptations for Superman or Batman which combined with what Fish said about lack of WW-centered adaptations means it also has to compete with two of the biggest names in superhero comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    In addition what Fish said, DC's always liked to push Diana as a love interest (translation: arm candy/disposable rebound girl) in a lot odf comics and adaptations for Superman or Batman which combined with what Fish said about lack of WW-centered adaptations means it also has to compete with two of the biggest names in superhero comics.
    Well, it is a missed opportunity but never too late I say. Lois was mishandled in the GA comics in the 40s-50s. She was written as the girlfriend wondering if her boyfriend still loves her. And yet she's still the mainstay love interest to this day. She's been written as a strong independent character as well. Steve can be written in a similar fashion with Diana. The writers just have to pick up the ball. Hopefully Steve's presence in other media can change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    Argh, that’s what I meant. Curse you DC and your confusing “Crisis” events!



    Chris Pine turned Steve Trevor into someone who is…shall we say, “above average”.
    Steve never really clicked for me until that movie. I always felt he was lacking as a love interest for as rich a character as Diana, but no longer.

    As for being "above average," I can see why she didn't get over him for 60 years and I'm straight. lol

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    In addition what Fish said, DC's always liked to push Diana as a love interest (translation: arm candy/disposable rebound girl) in a lot odf comics and adaptations for Superman or Batman which combined with what Fish said about lack of WW-centered adaptations means it also has to compete with two of the biggest names in superhero comics.

    Yeah, I'm over Trinity shipping strictly because of this shit. Even in Elseworlds, it's a hard sell for me. That well has been poisoned.
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    Without saying it directly, I think this clip from The Brave and the Bold explains what editorial's and part of the fandom's opinion of Steve was during the decades leading up to COIE. Steve is this weak, ineffectual goof with no real appealing characteristics who's lucky that Wonder Woman likes him and would bail him out of any situation. By editorial and fan standards, this was "ok" for a female, but unacceptable for a male character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    Yeah, I'm over Trinity shipping strictly because of this shit. Even in Elseworlds, it's a hard sell for me. That well has been poisoned.
    Yeah, I originally only really supported Steve originally because of all the actual tangible romantic options he was the least bad option in comparison to Superman and Bruce Timm’s self-insert fantasy. But stuff like the movie, Rebirth, and other readings made me think he actually does have value as love interest/character beyond that.

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