Alec Baldwin Fires Prop Gun on Set, Killing Cinematographer

[inisideguy]

Film Standards are not the law and they are not reality. You don't get to abdicate legal and moral responsibility because of a rule you made up.

There is no way actors are responsible on set for firearms and their condition. This isn't a shooting range. The industry has rules and regulations. And safety protocols. And actors clearing weapons I am sure is not one of them. Again its like saying an actor is suppose to make sure the breaks are ok on a vehicle, or do a background check on everyone who's working on the set. The industry has run in a certain way for literally generations dealing with guns. Actors, checking and clearing weapons isn't in the protocols. Thats why they hire experts on these sets. They most likely are not even permitted to do any such thing.

[Gray Lensman]

There is no way actors are responsible on set for firearms and their condition. This isn't a shooting range. The industry has rules and regulations. And safety protocols. And actors clearing weapons I am sure is not one of them. Again its like saying an actor is suppose to make sure the breaks are ok on a vehicle, or do a background check on everyone who's working on the set. The industry has run in a certain way for literally generations dealing with guns. Actors, checking and clearing weapons isn't in the protocols. Thats why they hire experts on these sets. They most likely are not even permitted to do any such thing.

There is also an ongoing investigation - any legal responsibility will be determined by that.

[Ptrvc]

There is no way actors are responsible on set for firearms and their condition. This isn't a shooting range. The industry has rules and regulations. And safety protocols. And actors clearing weapons I am sure is not one of them. Again its like saying an actor is suppose to make sure the breaks are ok on a vehicle, or do a background check on everyone who's working on the set. The industry has run in a certain way for literally generations dealing with guns. Actors, checking and clearing weapons isn't in the protocols. Thats why they hire experts on these sets. They most likely are not even permitted to do any such thing.

If you cannot be bothered to check a gun before you take it do not take it that simple gun safety. Basic. Hollywood doesn't just get to bypass that because they are rich and famous. Bypassing that basic responsibility results in accidents like this one.

Sure the responsibility also lies on all those other people. But Baldwin doesn't get a by.

[Kirby101]

There is no way actors are responsible on set for firearms and their condition. This isn't a shooting range. The industry has rules and regulations. And safety protocols. And actors clearing weapons I am sure is not one of them. Again its like saying an actor is suppose to make sure the breaks are ok on a vehicle, or do a background check on everyone who's working on the set. The industry has run in a certain way for literally generations dealing with guns. Actors, checking and clearing weapons isn't in the protocols. Thats why they hire experts on these sets. They most likely are not even permitted to do any such thing.

You get this. Don't know why others don't understand .

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You get this. Don't know why others don't understand .

More or less I believe its where Baldwin fired the shot by accident. There is a lot of conservatives now blaming Baldwin for this as evidence shows its more on AD and Armorer.

[Username taken]

There is no way actors are responsible on set for firearms and their condition. This isn't a shooting range. The industry has rules and regulations. And safety protocols. And actors clearing weapons I am sure is not one of them. Again its like saying an actor is suppose to make sure the breaks are ok on a vehicle, or do a background check on everyone who's working on the set. The industry has run in a certain way for literally generations dealing with guns. Actors, checking and clearing weapons isn't in the protocols. Thats why they hire experts on these sets. They most likely are not even permitted to do any such thing.

It really is as simple as this. That's the reason they hire people to check the weapons on set.

Movie productions employ armorers and the likes to ensure everything gun related is safe. That's the industry standard.

Like I said earlier, most actors aren't "gun experts" and will likely not even know what to do with one. It's totally wrong and borderline insane to have a person that doesn't know how to use a gun handle, check or mess around with the weapon.

When an actor does stuff like that, you get a "Jon Erik-Hexum situation" where an actor accidentally kills himself.

[Username taken]

More or less I believe its where Baldwin fired the shot by accident. There is a lot of conservatives now blaming Baldwin for this as evidence shows its more on AD and Armorer.

I've noticed it too and it's utterly bizarre.

They are equating the death of a real person to Baldwin mocking Trump.

How petty, silly, low and childish can you get? These people have allowed politics to rot their brains.

Even if you have a problem with Baldwin, howabout the family of the woman that was killed?

[inisideguy]

You get this. Don't know why others don't understand .

Its people being a holes. If Alec Baldwin was to even mention he wanted to make sure weapon was safe, and had any knowledge of said weapon then he would need to be escorted off set, taken to a range type environment, pointed it down range, then gone through the proper safety checks for that individual weapon whatever it was with someone supervising him. An actor in no way should be doing safety checks on weapons on a set.

[Ptrvc]

It really is as simple as this. That's the reason they hire people to check the weapons on set.

Movie productions employ armorers and the likes to ensure everything gun related is safe. That's the industry standard.

Like I said earlier, most actors aren't "gun experts" and will likely not even know what to do with one. It's totally wrong and borderline insane to have a person that doesn't know how to use a gun handle, check or mess around with the weapon.

When an actor does stuff like that, you get a "Jon Erik-Hexum situation" where an actor accidentally kills himself.

Then why doesn't he take a gun safety lesson? Or a whole course? Why is that so hard to get done before filming a western starts?

[numberthirty]

There is no way actors are responsible on set for firearms and their condition. This isn't a shooting range. The industry has rules and regulations. And safety protocols. And actors clearing weapons I am sure is not one of them. Again its like saying an actor is suppose to make sure the breaks are ok on a vehicle, or do a background check on everyone who's working on the set. The industry has run in a certain way for literally generations dealing with guns. Actors, checking and clearing weapons isn't in the protocols. Thats why they hire experts on these sets. They most likely are not even permitted to do any such thing.

You get this. Don't know why others don't understand .

For reference...

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/10492...op-gun-shootin

Hollywood stars say they are stunned by mismanaged set in fatal prop-gun shooting

As questions linger about safety protocols on the movie set where Alec Baldwin killed a cinematographer with a prop gun he'd been told was safe, Hollywood professionals say they're baffled by the circumstances and production crews have quickly stepped up safety measures.

Jeffrey Wright, who has worked on projects including the James Bond franchise and the upcoming movie The Batman, was acting with a weapon on the set of Westworld when news broke of the shooting Thursday at a New Mexico ranch. "We were all pretty shocked. And it informed what we did from that moment on," he said in an interview Sunday at the Newport Beach Film Festival.

"I don't recall ever being handed a weapon that was not cleared in front of me — meaning chamber open, barrel shown to me, light flashed inside the barrel to make sure that it's cleared," Wright said. "Clearly, that was a mismanaged set."

Actor Ray Liotta agreed with Wright that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.

"They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see," Liotta said. "They give it to the person you're pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn't work."

[inisideguy]

For reference...

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/10492...op-gun-shootin

First off chamber open. This was a revolver so chamber open doesn't apply. 2nd gun was loaded. So this wasn't a clearing action. Now it was loaded with the wrong ammunition. If a gun is loaded on set no one is shinning lights down barrels. You are talking about if a weapon is cleared. Its been in no way confirmed that this was a shoot where the gun was not suppose to be loaded with blanks.


If in fact this rehearsal was being done with everyone in the room understanding that this gun was not loaded then showing that a weapon is clear of ammunition makes sense. But none of that has been reported. If the gun is loaded with blanks and they are expecting blanks to be fired they are not clearing the weapon before the actor shoots. Because the weapon wouldn't shoot. No one except the investigators know if this was a dry rehearsal or a rehearsal with blanks. What we do know is that there was at least one real round in the weapon. And it obviously wasn't cleared to either shoot blanks or not actually shoot anything. We don't even know what type of weapon it was although since its a western most likely it was a revolver. But there are multiple types revolvers from cap and ball, to single action, to the more advanced colts from the later times in the west. They all have different loading mechanism from loading the bullets directly into the cylinder in the chamber without having to pop down barrel. To popping down the front, to popping out the cylinder. If it was a civil war cap and ball gun it is even more of a complex loading system. No one knows anything.


If anyone has experience with these type of firearms some are very unique. I think people keep thinking that these are standard 9mm semi autos or even more advanced revolvers. These type of weapons come in all varieties. You even have types where you can't see into the cylinder because the of how they are designed. Heck we don't even know if was a revolver it could have been a single shot derringer for all we know.

[numberthirty]

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Heck we don't even know if was a revolver it could have been a single shot derringer for all we know.

From what is out there, it was apparently a shot involving a cross draw.

While I guess there is an outside chance said shot could involve something as small as that, I tend to doubt it.

[Username taken]

Then why doesn't he take a gun safety lesson? Or a whole course? Why is that so hard to get done before filming a western starts?

Because there are people paid on set to make sure the guns are rigged safely. It’s literally their job.

Sure an actor could learn that but the most reasonable way around this sort of thing is to have experts that actually know their stuff ensure the set is safe.

[Jokerz79]

A normal actor hired to play a role and that's it he wouldn't be responsible for an accident like this and face no legal ramifications. But Baldwin could end up in some dicey legal troubles simply because Rust was co-written by him and was a passion project and also he was a producer and his Production Company was making the film. So being this was his passion project, he was a producer, and his company was making the film it calls into question his position of authority on set and his power in regards with the hiring of crew which both elements hiring of crew and who had authority on set factored into the accident.

[Username taken]

A normal actor hired to play a role and that's it he wouldn't be responsible for an accident like this and face no legal ramifications. But Baldwin could end up in some dicey legal troubles simply because Rust was co-written by him and was a passion project and also he was a producer and his Production Company was making the film. So being this was his passion project, he was a producer, and his company was making the film it calls into question his position of authority on set and his power in regards with the hiring of crew which both elements hiring of crew and who had authority on set factored into the accident.

True.

His being a producer could put him in some trouble.